Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Steven Avery

Teresa

Teresa Halbach
Teresa Halbach

Sometime during the day on October 31, 2005, photographer Teresa Halbach, 25, drove her blue 1999 Toyota Rav 4 along Route 10 in eastern Wisconsin.  She had started out from her home in Hilbert and was heading east.  She had three appointments that day to photograph used vehicles for the Auto Trader Magazine. One of those appointments was at Avery Auto Salvage in Gibson, Wisconsin, near Lake Michigan, about 35 miles from her home.  She was scheduled to meet with Steven Avery, 43, one of the owners, and photograph a maroon Plymouth Voyager minivan that he was putting up for sale.  She’d been there at least fifteen times before, taking pictures of other vehicles for the magazine.
Teresa had graduated from the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay in 2002 where she graduated with honors, majoring in photography.  While she was in school, she had worked part-time at a mall photography studio, taking portraits of children.  In her senior year she’d worked as an intern at Pearce Photography in Green Bay, and after graduation Pearce hired her full-time.  She specialized in doing sittings with kids.  Teresa had a gift for making people feel comfortable—children and adults—and it showed in the portraits she took.
Photography by Teresa
Photography by Teresa

She liked children so much she coached the girls volleyball team at the St. John-Sacred Heart School, the parochial elementary school where her little sister was a student.  Teresa had attended Sacred Heart herself.
The second of five children, Teresa had grown up in the tiny farm community of St. John in Calumet County, Wisconsin.  Her parents ran a dairy farm, and she had often helped out with farm chores, particularly milking the cows.  She had been living in the Green Bay area while working at Pearce, but she decided to pursue her dream of opening her own studio, which she called Photography by Teresa.  Making the switch from a regular paycheck to irregular freelance income was a big transition, so to help make ends meet, she had moved back to St. John where she and a friend rented a house on her parent’s property.  The rent was more than reasonable.
Teresa most likely had the radio on as she drove along Route 10 on October 31, and she liked singing along with it.   Since it was Halloween, the rock stations were probably playing old novelty songs like “The Monster Mash” and “Haunted House.”  Teresa would sing along with just about anything, and she absolutely loved karaoke.  Whenever she took the stage with a microphone, she became the life of the party, especially when she was singing her favorite song, “Picture,” made famous by Sheryl Crow and Kid Rock.  It’s a catchy country ballad and a twangy tearjerker.  If the radio station she’d been listening to had played that song, Teresa would have been singing along with it as she headed for Avery Auto Salvage.

Avery’s False Conviction

Avery Auto Salvage sits on a large tract of land and contains roughly 3,800 vehicles in various states of decay.  Most of the dilapidated vehicles are kept for their parts, which are sold piecemeal.  The better ones are restored and put up for sale.  There are several buildings on the property—sheds, garages, and the mobile home where Steven Avery lives.  The Avery family owns several hundred acres in the area, and the road that runs through it is called Avery Road.
Penny Beernstsen
Penny Beernstsen

Steven Avery had only recently gotten back into the family salvage business after a long absence.  In 1985 Avery had been convicted of raping and beating a 36-year-old woman named Penny Beerntsen as she jogged along the shore of Lake Michigan in nearby Two Rivers, Wisconsin.
Beach attack location
Beach attack location

Avery had maintained his innocence, but Beerntsen picked him out of a photo lineup and then a live lineup.  On December 14, 1985, a jury found Avery guilty of attempted first-degree homicide, first-degree assault, and false imprisonment.  Several witnesses testified that Avery had been at his parents’ home in Green Bay at the time of the assault, but the jury was unconvinced.  He was sentenced to 32 years in prison.
Avery fought for a new trial to prove his innocence based on DNA testing of the scrapings recovered from Beerntsen’s fingernails after the assault.  Initial tests indicated that Avery’s DNA was not present in these scrapings.  In 1996 Circuit Judge Fred Hazelwood denied Avery’s request for a new trial, and a year later the Second District Court of Appeals upheld Judge Hazelwood’s decision.
Wisconsin Innocence Project
Wisconsin Innocence Project

Avery’s case was then taken up by the Wisconsin Innocence Project, whose stated mission is to correct mistakes made by the criminal justice system.  Lawyers for the Innocence Project convinced Judge Hazelwood that advances in DNA testing justified revisiting the case.  Using 13 hairs recovered from Ms. Beerntsen after the rape, a state crime lab found that the DNA taken from these hairs did not match samples taken from Steven Avery.  The DNA they found did match a man named Gregory Allen who was serving a 60-years sentence on a rape conviction in Brown County, Wisconsin.  Allen had lived in the same area as Avery at the time of Beerntsen’s attack.  Based on this new evidence, Judge Hazelwood, on Sept 10, 2003, ordered that Avery be released from prison.
Gregory Allen
Gregory Allen

Avery had spent 18 years behind bars.  Shortly after his release, he filed a $36 million lawsuit against Manitowoc County for wrongful conviction.
Avery in prison
Avery in prison

Stephen Avery’s case had been a well-publicized cause celebre in Wisconsin, and it’s likely that Teresa Halbach had heard something about it in the news.  If she had, she probably accepted the court’s decision and believed that Steven Avery was indeed innocent because she apparently had no reservations about going alone to his salvage yard on Halloween Day, 2005.  She’d been there many times and had dealt with him before.  What she probably didn’t know was Steven Avery’s history with the law prior to his wrongful conviction.

“They Are an Odd Lot”

Steven Avery at his release
Steven Avery at his release

Even though Steven Avery had been exonerated of his false conviction for rape and attempted murder, he had a long history of run-ins with the law.  When he was 18 years old, he had broken into the Northern Frontier Bar in Gibson, Wisconsin, and stolen “two cases of beer, two sandwiches, a toolbox, and $14 in quarters.”  On March 23, 1981 he was convicted on two counts of burglary and sentenced to two years in prison.  The sentence was stayed, and instead he was ordered to spend 10 months in the Manitowoc County jail, pay $1,399.85 in restitution, and placed on five-year’s probation.
Steven Avery
Steven Avery

Five months later Avery was charged with cruelty to animals for dousing a cat with gasoline and oil, throwing it in a bonfire, and watching it die.  He claimed that he was there when the incident happened but had nothing to do with it.  Nevertheless, his probation was revoked, and he served nine months in prison for that crime.
In January 1985 Avery was charged with endangering safety and felon gun possession when he ran the wife of a part-time Manitowoc County sheriff off the road and pointed a rifle at her.  When Avery spotted the woman’s infant daughter in the backseat, he backed off.  He was later sentenced to six years in prison for this crime.
Avery in 1985
Avery in 1985

In the summer of 1985, while out on bail, he was arrested for the assault on Penny Beerntsen, which earned him a 32-year sentence for a crime he did not commit.
Steven Avery in a police lineup
Steven Avery in a police lineup

Stephen is not the only member of his family to have had trouble with the law.  His older brother Chuck, 51, pled guilty to disorderly conduct in 1998 and ultimately served 60 days in jail.  In 1999 Chuck Avery’s former wife accused him of sexual assault and attempting to strangle her with a telephone cord.  The charge was dismissed.
Stephen’s younger brother Earl, 35, pleaded no contest to battery and sexual assault charges in 1992, stemming from an attack on his wife.  He received 18 months probation.
The brothers all work for Avery Auto Salvage.
Avery family before the assault.
Avery family before the assault.

Jim Geux, a neighbor of the Averys, speaks highly of the family.  He told the Associated Press, “If you asked for a favor, you would get it from all of them.”  But other neighbors refused to comment, “saying they still have to live near the Averys.”
Harold Stahl, a retired tow-truck driver, who has had dealings with the Avery family in the past, told the AP, “They are an odd lot.”

Missing

Logo: Calumet County Sherrif's Department
Logo: Calumet County Sherrif’s Department

On November 3, 2005—three days after Teresa Halbach had driven out to Avery Auto Salvage—Karen Halbach, Teresa’s mother, called the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department to report that her daughter hadn’t been heard from all weekend.  Karen Halbach said that it was unusual for her daughter to be out of touch with her family and friends for that length of time, and she was worried.
Teresa Halbach missing poster.
Teresa Halbach missing poster.

Volunteers had already started retracing Teresa’s steps, hoping to find her.  On November 5, a group of volunteers arrived at Avery Auto Salvage.  They asked Earl Avery if they could search the property, and he gave them permission to look around.  After searching about 50 cars, the volunteers found a blue Toyota Rav 4 similar to Teresa’s partially concealed by tree branches and various car parts.  The vehicle was locked and had no license plates.  The volunteers immediately called investigators at the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department who obtained a search warrant that same day.
Halbach candle light vigil
Halbach candle light vigil

Calumet County investigators went directly to Avery Auto Salvage, which is in Manitowoc County, and inspected the blue Toyota.  The Vehicle Identification Number confirmed that it was Teresa Halbach’s car.  It was placed in an enclosed trailer and transported to the Wisconsin Crime Laboratory in Madison for further search and analysis.

The Fire Pit

Investigators searched Steven Avery’s mobile home and found a “dried red substance which appeared to be blood” on the bathroom floor near the washer and dryer.”  They also found “pornographic material” and “items of restraint,” including leg irons and handcuffs.
Deputy Dan Kucharski continued the search the next day and discovered two firearms in Avery’s bedroom—a .22 semi-automatic rifle and a .50 black-powder muzzleloader.  The name “Steve” written on masking tape was attached to the muzzleloader.  Officers searched a detached garage on the Avery property and discovered “eleven spent .22 caliber long rifle shell casings on the floor.”
The search continued for a third day, and Deputy Kucharski found a Toyota ignition key in Avery’s bedroom.  The key was transported to the state crime lab and tested on Teresa Halbach’s car.  A lab technician was able to start the engine with the key.  By this time technicians had identified traces of human blood on the ignition area of the vehicle as well as in the rear cargo space.
On November 8, the fourth day of searching, officers found two crumpled Wisconsin license plates inside a junked vehicle on the Avery property.  The plate number, SWH582, was registered to Teresa Halbach’s 1999 Toyota Rav 4.  Officers also found a “burn barrel” containing the remnants of burned clothing, a partially burned shovel, a cell phone, and a camera.  Upon inspecting a fire pit near to Steven Avery’s home, officers found “bone fragments and teeth” as well as the “remnants of steel belts of tires.”  They believed the tire belts might have been used as “fire accelerants.”
A forensic anthropologist examined the bone fragments and determined that they belonged to an “adult human female.”  A second forensic anthropologist examined the fragments and came to the conclusion that the corpse had been mutilated.
Sherry L. Culhane, a DNA analyst with the Wisconsin Department of Justice, tested blood samples found in various locations inside Teresa Halbach’s car, including the driver’s seat, ignition area, front passenger seat, and rear passenger door entrance.  Culhane found that the samples matched Steven Avery’s DNA profile.  DNA material taken from the Toyota key found in Avery’s bedroom also matched his profile.
DNA testing was performed on blood samples taken from the rear cargo area of the Toyota and from an empty can of Wild Cherry Pepsi found on the front console.  The two profiles matched, and Culhane believed that they belong to Teresa Halbach.   A partial DNA profile obtained from the teeth and bone fragments found in the fire pit matched in seven out of thirteen areas and were thus consistent with the profile worked up from the Pepsi can and the blood found in the cargo area.   As reported by the Green Bay Press Gazette, Culhane would later testify that the chances were “one in a billion” that the human tissue found in the fire pit did not belong to Teresa Halbach.

“It Was All Planted”

When questioned by the police, Steven Avery said that the blood found in Teresa Halbach’s car couldn’t be his because he was never in her car.  He said that Teresa had been at Avery Auto Salvage sometime between 2:00 and 2:30 P.M. on October 31, 2005.  According to Avery, she took a photo of the minivan he was putting up for sale, he paid her $40 in cash, she gave him a copy of the Auto Trader Magazine, and then she left.  Avery chose not to have a lawyer present during his questioning.
On November 9, Avery was charged with illegal gun possession and taken into custody as the investigation into Teresa Halbach’s death continued.  At the time of his arrest, Special Agent Tom Fassbender noted that Avery had “a very substantial cut” on the middle finger of his right hand.
Special Agent Tom Fassbender
Special Agent Tom Fassbender

Two days later Avery appeared by phone on the Nancy Grace television show on CNN and reiterated that he was innocent and claimed to be the victim of government retaliation because of his $36 million lawsuit against Manitowoc County for wrongful arrest and imprisonment.
“Mr. Avery,” Nancy Grace asked, “do you feel that you’re being framed in any way?”
“Yes,” Avery replied.
“Why?”
“Because every time I turn around, the county’s out here doing something to me…I’m being set-up because of my lawsuit and everything else.”
Avery at the Auto Salvage
Avery at the Auto Salvage

Grace went on to ask about the fire pit on his property where investigators found teeth and bone fragments.  Avery said that his property is not normally locked and that anyone could “just drive right in,” leaving the impression that perhaps someone else had murdered Teresa Halbach on his property.
In a telephone interview with the Associated Press from Calumet County Jail in Clinton, Wisconsin, Avery said that he believed that Manitowoc County had set him up so that they wouldn’t have to pay damages on his lawsuit if he prevailed in court.  He singled out former Manitowoc County Sheriff Tom Kocourek, who had been sheriff when Avery was arrested in 1985, as one of his main persecutors.  Referring to county investigators, Avery said, “They know what they look for so they know what they can plant and where they can plant it.”
His older brother Chuck later echoed that sentiment. “If they found anything there, it’s a big setup,” he told the Associated Press. “It was all planted.”
Their mother, Dolores Avery, believes her son is innocent. “I don’t know why the hell they do that stuff,” she said, referring to county officers.  “They must like wrecking people’s lives.”
But Steven Avery’s uncle, Arland Avery, a retired Manitowoc County sheriff’s deputy, told the Journal Sentinel that DNA evidence would be hard to plant and hoped that his nephew would confess if he was truly guilty.  “At least give both families a little piece of mind,” he said.

“That Would Be Too Hard”

On November 15, 2005, Steven Avery was charged with first-degree intentional homicide in the death of Teresa Halbach and mutilating a corpse.  Avery appeared before Manitowoc County Circuit Judge Patrick Willis, wearing a black-and-white horizontally striped jumpsuit, his wrists handcuffed and attached to a belly belt.  Eight uniformed deputies escorted him into court.  During the hearing, Judge Willis set bail at $500,000.  It was decided that Avery’s case will be tried in Manitowoc County because authorities believe that the murder was committed in that county, but the prosecutors will be from Calumet County because the case was investigated by Calumet deputies and Avery has a civil case pending against Manitowoc.
Though Avery family members continue to insist that the DNA evidence was planted in Halbach’s car and in Steven Avery’s home, Calumet County District Attorney Ken Kratz said that such allegations are “absurd,” adding that someone would need a vial of Avery’s perspiration to pull that off.
Calumet County District Attorney Ken Kratz
Calumet County District Attorney Ken Kratz

“It is no longer a question, at least in my mind as special prosecutor in this case, who is responsible for the death of Teresa Halbach,” Kratz said.
After the murder charge was filed against Avery, the University of Wisconsin-based Innocence Project was inundated with phone calls and e-mails supporting their mission to exonerate people who have been wrongly imprisoned.  However, 80% of those who contacted them believed that Steven Avery should never have been released from prison.  Co-director of the Innocence Project Keith Findley pointed out to the Associated Press that of the 163 inmates nationwide cleared of crimes through DNA evidence, Avery is the only one to have been subsequently charged with a serious crime.
If Avery is ultimately found guilty of the charges against him, he could be sentenced to life imprisonment.  Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.
Steven Avery is currently incarcerated at the Calumet County Jail.  His next court appearance is scheduled for January 17, 2006, at which time he plans to enter not guilty pleas.  He maintains that he’s innocent and feels that he’s being railroaded again.
Whoever killed Teresa Halbach “ain’t got a right mind,” he told the Associated Press.  “There’s no way I could kill somebody,” he said.  “That would be too hard.”

“Help Me!”

As investigators continued to probe for answers in the death of Teresa Halbach, the events that immediately lead up to her death and the details of the crime itself remained sketchy, and Steven Avery staunchly maintained his innocence.   Among the many people Calumet County detectives had interviewed was Avery’s 16-year-old nephew, Brendan Dassey, who lived in a house on the same sprawling property as Avery.  On Feb. 27, 2006, detectives interviewed Dassey again, and something he said caught their attention.  “We believed Brendan knew more than he was telling us,” Calumet County Sheriff Jerry Pagel later told a news conference.
Detectives interviewed Dassey again on March 1, and this time he confessed to participating with his uncle in the rape, torture, and murder of Teresa Halbach.
According to the criminal complaint against Dassey, the teenager claimed that on Oct. 31, 2005, at around 3:45 p.m., he got off the school bus and walked to his home, which is next door to Steven Avery’s trailer.  He then rode his bicycle to the mail box to get the mail and found a letter for his Uncle Steven.  As he rode back to Steven Avery’s residence to deliver the letter, he passed a “burn barrel” and stopped to look inside.  He saw a cellphone and a camera.  As he approached Avery’s trailer, he heard a female voice inside screaming “Help me!”
Teresa Halbach
Teresa Halbach
Dassey knocked on the door and waited several minutes before his uncle answered it.  Steven Avery was “covered in sweat.”  He invited his nephew to come into the kitchen.  Once inside Avery asked Brendan if he wanted to “get some of that stuff,” indicating the bedroom.  Avery then led his nephew into the bedroom where he saw Teresa Halbach naked on her back, “restrained to the bed with handcuffs and leg irons.”
Teresa Halbach
Teresa Halbach

“That’s How You Do It”

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According to the criminal complaint against Dassey, Steven Avery told his nephew that he had already raped Teresa Halbach and wanted to “keep doing it.”  He “encouraged” his nephew to do the same.  Teresa pleaded with Dassey through her tears, begging him not to do it, to let her go, and to get Avery to stop the ordeal, but instead Dassey mounted her and had “sexual intercourse” with her “for approximately five minutes” while his uncle watched.
Steven Avery
Steven Avery
Dassey and Avery then went into the living room and watched television for “10 to 15 minutes.”  “That’s how you do it,” Avery said to his nephew, telling the teenager that he had done a good job and was proud of him.  While the TV played, Avery talked about killing Teresa and burning her body.
Avery went to the kitchen and got a knife with a blade “between six and eight inches long,” then he and Dassey went back into the bedroom.  Avery announced to Teresa that he was going to kill her and then stabbed her in the “stomach area.”  Avery handed the knife to Dassey and told him to “cut her throat.”  Dassey obeyed.
Avery then told Dassey to cut off some of her hair, and Dassey complied.
After that, “Avery went over to Teresa and put his hands around Halbach’s neck and strangled her for approximately two to three minutes.”
Avery and Dassey took off the shackles and tied her with rope, then carried her to her car.  They placed her in the trunk and drove her to Avery’s garage.    Dassey believed that she was dead by this time, but Avery fetched a .22-caliber rifle and shot Teresa “approximately 10 times.”  According to Dassey’s confession, Avery shot her one to three times in the left side of the head and then shot her in her midsection.

“A Little Slow”

According the complaint against Brendan Dassey, he told detectives that he and Steven Avery threw Teresa Halbach’s body onto a fire pit that had already been burning when Dassey returned from school earlier that afternoon.  They put “tires and brush on top of her” to accelerate the fire.  While her body burned, they drove her car to a remote area of the property and concealed it with “branches and a car hood.”  They returned to the garage and cleaned Teresa’s blood off the concrete floor with “gasoline, paint thinner, and bleach.”  Avery noticed that his finger was bleeding and covered it with a Band-aid that he got from his trailer when he went inside for the bleach.
Brendan Dassey
Brendan Dassey
Later that evening when Brendan Dassey returned to his own home, his mother, Barb Janda, who is Steven Avery’s sister, noticed bleached-out splotches on her son’s jeans and asked how that had happened.  Dassey told her that he had been helping his uncle clean the floor of his garage.
Dassey told the detectives that Avery later informed him that he had broken up some of Teresa’s remaining bones with a shovel and buried them elsewhere on his property.
Dassey’s great uncle, Arland Avery, a retired Manitowoc County sheriff’s deputy, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Dassey was “a little slow.”
“I don’t think he [Dassey] could do anything on his own,” Arland Avery said. “He doesn’t have the initiative or the ability to do anything on his own.  He had to be told what to do.”

“I Didn’t Have a Pencil”

On June 30, 2006, Brenda Dassey wrote a letter to Manitowoc County Circuit Judge Jerome Fox from the Sheboygan County Juvenile Detention Center, recanting his statements regarding the death of Teresa Halbach.
Sheboygan County Juvenile Detention Center
Sheboygan County Juvenile Detention Center
He started his letter by saying that he would have written sooner, but he “didn’t have a pencil.”
“The thing I was going to write to you about was that all my statements I gave the investigators are not the truth,” Dassey wrote.
In the letter, he claimed that he had been at home with his brother until 7:00 p.m. on Halloween 2005 when his uncle called and asked him if he “wanted to come to the bombfire [sic].”
According to Dassey’s letter, he and Steven Avery rode a golf cart around the property, gathering material to burn in the bonfire.  Dassey’s mother called her brother on his cellphone at around 9:00 p.m. and told him that she wanted Brendan home by 10:00 p.m.  He arrived home shortly after ten o’clock, talked to his mother for a while, then went to bed.
Dassey closed his letter with a postscript:  “Me and my mom think you are a good judge.  Thank you for your time.”
Dassey’s trial is scheduled to begin April 16, 2007.  If convicted on all charges, including homicide, he could be sentenced to life plus 72 1/2 years in prison.
Steven Avery’s trial date is Feb. 5, 2007.  He has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree sexual assault, kidnapping, false imprisonment, mutilation of a corpse, and possession of a firearm by a felon.  If convicted on all charges, he could face life plus 128 1/2 years in prison.

Avery Found Guilty

On Sunday, March 18, 2007, a jury found Steven Avery guilty of first-degree intentional homicide and illegal possession of a firearm.  They found him not guilty of the third charge leveled against him, mutilation of a corpse.  Despite his attorney’s contention that the police had planted the evidence against him, the jury was unconvinced.
Steven Avery in Court
Steven Avery in Court
During the trial, forensic anthropologist Dr. Leslie Eisenberg testified that she had found evidence of two gunshot wounds in Teresa Halbach’s skull.  Dr. Eisenberg could not, however, determine if the shooting had occurred before or after death.  The prosecution also presented expert testimony regarding a bullet found embedded in the floor of Avery’s garage, which contained trace amounts of Teresa Halbach’s DNA.  Ballistics tests linked the bullet to the .22 caliber rifle found hanging on the wall in Steven Avery’s bedroom.
Bobby Dassey
Bobby Dassey
Avery’s nephew, Bobby Dassey—Brendan Dassey’s older brother—testified that he saw Halbach walking toward his uncle’s trailer at 2:45 PM on Halloween day, 2005.  He also told the jury that he had overheard his uncle joking with a friend about hiding Halbach’s body.
Brendan Dassey had confessed to participating in the crime with his uncle but later recanted his confession and refused to testify against Avery, thereby forfeiting a plea deal with the state.
The defense attempted to cast doubt on the prosecution’s case by presenting an alternate explanation for the evidence found on Avery’s property.   Manitowoc County law-enforcement officers had access to a vial of Avery’s blood taken during a review of his 1985 conviction.  Avery’s attorneys suggested that the police had planted the blood at the crime scene along with the bullet and Teresa Halbach’s car key. Their motive: revenge.  Avery’s monetary settlement in his wrongful-conviction suit against Manitowoc County had angered several county deputies, the defense claimed.
But the jury of six men and six women brought in from Dane County did not buy it. After 20 hours of deliberation, they sent down their verdict.
Karen Halbach
Karen Halbach
When asked how she felt about Avery’s conviction, Karen Halbach, Teresa’s mother, told a reporter from WISC-ABC television, “I’m happy, but I’m not really that happy.  Teresa’s not here.”
One of Avery’s attorneys, Jerome Buting, said that his client was “obviously disappointed but not despondent.  He’s not giving up.”
Since Wisconsin does not have the death penalty, he faces a mandatory life sentence.

“I Wanted to See How It Felt”

Brendan Dassey’s trial began on April 16, 2007, with Judge Jerome Fox presiding.  The 17-year-old faced three charges: first-degree intentional homicide, mutilation of a corpse, and first-degree sexual assault with a dangerous weapon.  His attorneys, Mark Fremgen and Ray Edelstein, who had been assigned to the case by the state public defenders office, maintained that their client was innocent and that because he had a low I.Q., the police were able to manipulate him and coerce a false confession.  But the prosecution contended that although Dassey recanted his confession, the physical evidence—including the rifle, the bullet embedded in the floor of the garage, the victim’s bullet-damaged skull, and her charred remains—supported everything that he had originally told the police.
Teresa Halbach’s sister Katie took the stand and testified that Teresa owned a pair of Daisy Fuentes jeans.  Expert testimony revealed that rivets found in the fire pit where the same type as those used on that brand of jeans.  Katie Halbach also testified that the lanyard attached to the car key found in Steven Avery’s bedroom had been a gift from her to Teresa.
State DNA expert Sherry Culhane testified that no traces of Teresa’s DNA were found on Dassey’s clothing, but she also pointed out that his clothes had extensive bleach stains as a result of the garage cleaning that Dassey and his uncle had performed.  Bleach, Culhane said, destroys DNA.
The prosecution called Manitowoc County Detective Anthony O’Neill to the stand and asked him to describe his impressions of Dassey after his first interview with the teenager on the day that Halbach’s SUV had been found on the Avery property.  O’Neill testified that he felt that Dassey had been holding back.  Dassey kept asking the police that day, “Do you think he did it?,” referring to his uncle.  This struck O’Neill as odd since at that point Teresa Halbach had been listed as a missing person not a homicide.
The jury then heard an 80-minute audiotape of that interview.  When Dassey had been asked if he knew where Halbach was, he repeatedly said, “I don’t know where she is.”
The prosecution also played a three-hour videotaped interview with Dassey conducted by Special Agent Tom Fassbender of the Department of Justice’s Division of Criminal Investigation and Detective Mark Wiegert of the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department.  In this interview Dassey confessed to raping Halbach, slitting her throat, and helping to burn her body.  He described the crimes without emotion, even when he said, “I feel really sad because I helped him [Avery]… I feel sad for the family because they lost a daughter.”  He went on to say that he should have done something to stop his uncle.
When asked why he raped Halbach, Dassey replied, “I wanted to see how it felt…  Sex.”  Later on the tape he said that Avery forced him to rape her and threatened to stab him if he told anyone about it.
Kayla Avery
Kayla Avery
The defense tried to blunt the impact of the taped confession by calling Dassey’s 15-year-old cousin, Kayla Avery, to the stand.  Kayla had told the police that Dassey had confided in her that he had seen Halbach tied to a chair in Avery’s trailer and that he—Dassey—had seen body parts burning in the fire pit.  But on the stand Kayla testified that her cousin had never told her that.  “He didn’t tell me anything,” she said.  “I kind of made up the statement.”

Teen Behind Bars

Brendan Dassey’s attorneys attempted to show that the police had bullied their client into make a false confession, pointing out that the detectives who had interrogated him accused him of being a liar or suggested the same 75 times during their session.  On the stand Detective Wiegert admitted that he and Special Agent Fassbender had doubted Dassey’s truthfulness and told him so during the interrogation.  “Several times we told him that we did not believe what he was telling us,” Wiegert testified.
The defense team allowed Brendan Dassey to take the stand in his own defense, hoping that the jury would believe Dassey’s reasoning for his contradictory statements if they heard it from his own mouth.  He testified that his videotaped confession was untrue but he didn’t know why he had lied to the police.  He claimed he had taken the details of the crime from a novel, James Patterson’s Kiss the Girls, and the movie that was made from that book.
Book Cover: Kiss the Girls
Book Cover: Kiss the Girls
But the prosecution pointed out that the details of Dassey’s confession were supported by physical evidence found at the crime scene, including the leg irons and handcuffs.  Throughout the trial, prosecutors maintained that Dassey “stood ready and willing to assist” in the murder and mutilation of Teresa Halbach.
On April 26, 2007, the jury was sent out to decide Brendan Dassey’s fate, and after four and a half hours of deliberation, they returned with their verdict: Guilty on all charges.
After the trial, Teresa’s brother, Mike Halbach, told WBAY-TV, “Hopefully Teresa can now enjoy her time in heaven rather than worrying about us.”
Reporters followed Dassey’s mother, Barb, out of the courthouse, trying to get a statement from her.  After refusing to speak, she angrily shouted from her departing SUV, “I think the Halbachs set this all up.  I really do.”
Brendan Dassey is currently being held at the Manitowoc County Jail, awaiting sentencing.  His Uncle Steven resides on another floor in the same facility.
In an interview with the Green Bay Press Gazette, Dassey said that he has been having trouble sleeping since his conviction. “It takes me an hour or three hours to get to sleep.  It takes me awhile,” he said.
He also hasn’t been reading much.  At the Sheboygan juvenile facility where he had been held for 13 months prior to his trial, he had read all the Harry Potter novels, but now he just doesn’t have the urge to pick up a book anymore.  He did say, however, that was eager to read the next installment of the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, when it comes out.
Dassey is already facing a mandatory life sentence, so the only issue left for the court to resolve is whether he will ever be eligible for parole, and if so, when.

“He Chose Evil”

On August 2, 2007, Brendan Dassey returned to Judge Fox’s courtroom to face sentencing. As expected, Dassey received a life sentence. The judge ruled that Dassey would not be eligible for parole until he has served 41 years.
Judge Jerome Fox
Judge Jerome Fox
“He knows and he knew the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. It was his choice and he chose evil.”
Brendan Dassey
Brendan Dassey
Teresa Halbach’s aunt, Kay Giordana, was allowed to address the court before sentencing. “He could have been a national hero or a murderer,” she said, referring to Dassey. “He decided to be a murderer. He knew Steven Avery’s plan to murder Teresa and he did nothing to prevent it. He is a coward and a disgrace.”
Dodge Correctional Institution
Dodge Correctional Institution
Dassey was taken to the Dodge Correctional Institution for evaluation to determine where he will serve his sentence. His uncle, Steven Avery, is currently serving his life term at Wisconsin’s super-max prison, Boscobel. Dassey told reporters that he’s afraid of what will happen to him in prison and has been crying himself to sleep.
Dassey will not be eligible for parole until 2048 when he will be 59 years old.

491 comments:

  1. Besides being the latest story of a family of filthy, sub-human thugs who run sleazy auto junkyards and commit murders this is, more importantly, a fascinating study in American jurisprudence.

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    1. Your a tool. To think the cops may be corrupt is the only rational thought...does serpico wring a bell. So glad to see that bloated prick fall from grace for his sexting and to think he was in law enforcement....

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    2. Ockie, it is ignorant people like you who were like one of the only three on the jury who initially voted guilty at the start of deliberation. Sadly they and your aggressive stubbornness was enough to sway those others with more insight to the facts in this case. There is just no way blood spatter or some time of blood evidence wouldn't have been found if they had killed her the way the prosecution claims. And all those searches before the key was found? It is too obvious that there was a cover up.

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    3. Its no wonder the USA has such a dreadful judicial system when there are people like Ockie Ditchbank in America. This case is a travesty and a tragedy. Corrupt and without a shred of decent evidence.

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    4. This poor family has been dragged through hell and back. What a corrupt system. I'm not a religious person at all but they are for sure in my thoughts tonight. What a horrible sin

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    5. If Kratz's trial by media does not verify that there is something fundamentally wrong from the absolute beginning, nothing could. The same Kratz who spouted off about his law-abiding honor and years of incredibly "just" service, the same standards of honor that police officers are to be held to, who was then accused of sexual harassment, when he sent lewd text messages to a VICTIM of domestic violence (among others), the very type of victim that he was to be an advocate for. He thought he was above the law and there was more evidence in his case than there was in Steven Avery's. Why? Because Kratz did what he was accused of, denied it vehemently, at least, at first. He sure as hell didn't want to be tried in the media (Associated Press interview) but had no problem placing violent pictures in the minds of the good people of the area that witnessed the trial he held himself in the media, BEFORE Avery's trial in front of a jury. Innocent until proven guilty - there is no such thing.

      So, someone tell me; why was there no DNA evidence found in Avery's bedroom? How do you rape, cut the hair of, stab and slash the throat of someone on top of a mattress and not find any DNA? Did they find any of the hair that they claim was cut in that bedroom? How about semen, or blood spatter - did they conduct a luminol test? Did they explain to the jury what luminol is? Did they explain how sensitive luminol testing is and that any trace amount would be found? Did they find bleach on the mattress or some other 'cleanser'? Were there marks, or mars on the bedposts from the shackles/chains? How can you as a juror in this case not ask those very very very important questions. It would be the first thought on my mind as a juror - how can we convict when there's no evidence inside the house, the house that the prosecution decided was the scene of the crime? Oh, but wait, four months after they realize that there's no way to get a conviction on the bedroom due to the lack of DNA or evidence of any sort during eight days of searching in November, all of a sudden there's a bullet fragment in the garage. There's a key in the bedroom - the same bedroom that they supposedly searched for 8 days. Why was it mentioned that they removed every single item from the garage? Why did they not remove every single item from the bedroom - you know, the same room that the crime supposedly took place in? The same key inside the very room that four months later a cop that wasn't supposed to be there found? Again, how can any jury not ask those questions?

      Why was the FBI brought in on this? A favor? An opportunity to make a name by bringing back a test for the presence of EDTA in a blood sample? The same name-making opportunity that was presented during the OJ Simpson trial. Is there such a test today? If so, someone please point me to the URL where I can find this information.

      Bottom line, neither Steve Avery nor Brendan Dassey received a fair trial - nothing about this entire situation was fair and just. If the family of these two gentlemen reads this post, I want to say, a woman in Missouri, who had never heard of this case before yesterday sees the wrong-doing. Fight the good fight - this should not be over.

      As a juror, your duty is to walk into a courtroom and take a vow that you will consider all of the evidence before reaching a decision. There is no way on Earth that it could have happened with the evidence, or lack thereof, that was available. How can any of these jurors say that reasonable doubt was present?

      Minds were made up long before the trial, why? We come full circle to the Kratz media fiasco that TRIED THAT MAN before he ever sat in front a jury. That is wrong!

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    6. After watching the Netflix documentary about this atrocious recount of corruption within the legal system; I would first like to express my good sense in choosing to never reside in the state of Wisconsin. I am in awe of the gross negligence, the nauseating use of coercion, and the truly heart wrenching hatred for the Avery family I witnessed in the series and upon my own investigation into the information surrounding Dassey and Avery.
      I would give anything to see the Wisconsin government,including the Department of Justice be held accountable for their absolute inability to provide sound justice. I truly question how the state of Wisconsin hasn't been absorbed by the US government and redisbursed to a neighboring state that has some kind of intelligent legal system at the very least.
      My heart just breaks for this family; I believe, wholeheartedly, that this family was set up by a disgruntled County Government upset by the fact that their shortcomings (putting it kindly) were laid out in the open and they were all found guilty of lying and corrupt activity. This is truly TRULY sick and sad.

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    7. Dear Ockie, you are an uncompassionate SOB, you have no respect, I can see that you are a lowlife element, sad you can't see they are peaceful people, uneducated yes, and mentally challenged, they were absolutely railroaded, how tasteless of you to call them thugs, he made some petty ass crimes when he was a kid, he broke into a convenienv=ce store, stole a six pack of beer, and 2cheese sandwiches and he was cruel to a cat, ( I don't condone it) but really how does this constitute him a thug or a filthysubhuman, because he is poor, he owns and runs a business, so what its a junk yard, I know some pretty a profitable junkyards. It is sad you cant see the truth...

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    8. You really are a moron. I bet you thought the West Memphis 3 were guilty of murdering those 3 8 yr old boys too huh? Well after 18 years on death row, and 2 life sentences for the other 2, all 3 of them got out of prison, because of DNA. So my question to your closed mind would be this. How come Theresa's DNA is not found anywhere... house or garage? THis is a railroad job

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    9. Glad not to live in that sick state of corrupt judges, police, and lawyers. Steve should have got a mistrial from the moment the police knew the tag numbers of the car that was not even located yet. I have to conclude the cops didn't just frame Steve and Brandon but committed the murder of Teresa. Profound injustice and criminal actions from the law enforcement. The word conspiracy does not even come close to describing the outrageous actions these people went to because they didn't want to be on the hook of a 32 million dollar lawsuit! Scary they are getting away with it still today.

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    10. This story makes you question everything you want to be true about the police and how they are paid to protect the innocent! It looks like they are paid to frame the innocent in the state of WI.

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    11. I watched the show on Netflix. Based on what I know at this point, I don't believe a jury with any sense could have convicted Steven Avery or his nephew Brendan Dassey. I would love to hear what the jurors in this case have to say about how they reached their verdict. The only juror to speak out was the one who was excused for a "family emergency" and he expresses guilt for not staying to see justice served.

      Kratz is a scumbag who was more focused on his six-figure income and sexting assault victims than the truth in this case. It seemed to be more about winning and hanging this guy out to dry than exposing the truth. Now he has stomach cancer and expects people to feel bad for him. Karma's a b!tch, ain't it Kratz? I'd rather have stomach cancer myself than be locked up in prison, twice, for crimes I didn't commit.

      They were able to recover human bones at the "scene" but the charred remains of the camera, i.e. lenses and mechanical parts were never mentioned being recovered from the burn barrel. And what an amazing coincidence that the car key and bullet were found, during another search, by the same inept cop who wasn't even supposed to be there.

      Another mystery to me, If Steven Avery did murder this woman, what would compel him to stash the vehicle on the property in plain site. I know he's not a bright man but that would be like asking to get caught. Take a look at the aerial map of the area and you will see the area is mostly rural with all kinds of heavily treed areas someone could stash a car and a body.
      Avery Rd, Two Rivers, WI 54241 (44.2564, -87.690028) Not to mention, there's a car crusher on the property, duh! This screams setup but cops are untouchable because people have a tendency to blindly believe they're somehow superhuman and impervious to Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, or Pride.

      As far as Brendan Dassey is concerned, the cops played him like a fiddle until he sang the tune they wanted to hear. DISPICABLE!!!! These "professional interrogators" and the jurors that convicted him should be ashamed of sending this kid, who obviously has mental issues, to prison for life without a single piece of physical evidence tying him to the crime.

      Until I see or hear some credible evidence proving these two are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I will continue to believe they're INNOCENT. And I definitely wouldn't recommend anyone to move to Wisconsin...except for Ockie Ditchbank.

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    12. After watching the Netflix Documentary, I cannot believe that this actually has happened in the US and just proves that the System is more corrupt than the criminals it convicts. I had a Brother in Law Enforcement who also was extremely corrupt and was tried, convicted and sentenced and I couldn't be prouder that He no longer wears a badge. This should provoke ANGER and Protest from every decent American Citizen to set this man free. How the State of WI proved to be more ignorant than it's worst criminal is beyond me. If Ignorance and being a Low Life was a Crime, Steven Avery would be Free and the state of WI would be behind bars.

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  2. Besides being the latest story of a family of filthy, sub-human thugs who run sleazy auto junkyards and commit murders this is, more importantly, a fascinating study in American jurisprudence.

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    1. you sick ignorant self righteous hate filled disgusting prejudicial monster Steve Avery is innocent !!! Just follow the money . It was all a set up as County of Mantiowoc was on the hook personally for the 36 million in the earlier wrongful conviction as Insurance was not going to cover it . What a travesty ! What despicable people in the court system all colluding together to avoid paying out 36 million in damages
      Its always about the money . Steve Avery was framed by cops , D.A. prosecutors and investigators !! It was one womans death and a smear campaign that stole 2 lives . Teresa's and Steve's. What an evil ,evil criminal act by evil incarnate forces .

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    2. I completely agree Unknown, It is such a shame our justice system is so corrupt, he would of probably taken less money, they should of jut left well enough alone, I'm even sadder in our Supreme and Federal Courts for not stepping in when necessary, for not making it right, everyone of these assholes deserve to be fired and charged appropriately, how is our system going to be honest if we don't also hold THE LAW ACCOUNTABLE. I Believe they (cops) also killed Teresa, I almost think the x-boyfriend has something to do with it as well, its just a gut feeling, but I think he is in cahoots with the law. How could they possibly convict Steve with no evidence and what is wrong with the judge for going along with it, I am just appauled by these officers and lawyers and investigators. It's all about culture as well, they were prayed upon, these poor uneducated people who decided to not be like the normal, they lived off the land, and stayed to themselves, they didn't bother anyone, so they didn't fir in with the community so they wrongfully put him in prison, because they don't live up to the community standards, if there is one chrisian or catholic on that community, Godly person in that community, shame on you for not standing behind these men and helping them fight this corrupt town of men. These men are low lifes, they do not deserve to protect your community, just wait one day it will happen to someone again in this community, because they were not held accountable by their piers. I agree with you as well notenoughevidence.

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    3. Ockie, I can only wonder what level of education you have.

      To another point, the problem is that we have a sector in American society that gives blind honor and reward to officers of the law.

      Remove the normative value placed on officers of the law and look at the stats. Therein, lies the truth about the criminal justice system and its treatment of the poor.

      One last thing, Ockie. I can guarantee you, in the name of Almighty God, that Steven Avery will be free once more. The nation is slowly catching wind of his case, and energies from below will demand those on the top to concede to demands. Indeed, that will be a fascinating study for jurisprudence.

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    4. Ockie, I can only wonder what level of education you have.

      To another point, the problem is that we have a sector in American society that gives blind honor and reward to officers of the law.

      Remove the normative value placed on officers of the law and look at the stats. Therein, lies the truth about the criminal justice system and its treatment of the poor.

      One last thing, Ockie. I can guarantee you, in the name of Almighty God, that Steven Avery will be free once more. The nation is slowly catching wind of his case, and energies from below will demand those on the top to concede to demands. Indeed, that will be a fascinating study for jurisprudence.

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    5. OCKIE: you are sub - human

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  3. Besides being the latest story of a family of filthy, sub-human thugs who run sleazy auto junkyards and commit murders this is, more importantly, a fascinating study in American jurisprudence.

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  4. Regarding this paragraph:

    "Steven Avery’s case had been a well-publicized cause celebre in Wisconsin, and it’s likely that Teresa Halbach had heard something about it in the news. If she had, she probably accepted the court’s decision and believed that Steven Avery was indeed innocent because she apparently had no reservations about going alone to his salvage yard on Halloween Day, 2005. She’d been there many times and had dealt with him before. What she probably didn’t know was Steven Avery’s history with the law prior to his wrongful conviction."

    It is common knowledge that when Mr. Avery called and requested that Teresa Halbach to be sent to photograph the minivan, he used a fake name, so she would not have known it was him that would be there.

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    1. Really? Then why wasn't that used in court?

      Actually she had done it on multiple occasions. Not a big deal at all--just more slander.

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    2. Start an online petition for Mr Avery to have Mr. Avery have his freedom!!!

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    3. MrDarkmatter666 there is an online petition that you can sign for BOTH these innocent men here is the link.
      https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investgate-and-pardon-averys-wisconsin-and-punish-corrupt-officials-who-railroaded-these-innocent-men

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    4. Gee wonder why, he used a fake name, look what the law and county has done to him, wouldn't you give a fake name in fear that they wouldn't come if they knew where they were going..

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    5. He did not use a fake name. His wife's name was on the ad since she was the one selling the car.

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  5. What name was given when he requested Halbach? When she first went missing the 1st thing that came out was that she had an appt with Steven Avery and all his past was brought up. I sympathize with the family however after talking to his parents I believe that the police got the wrong brother.

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  6. Avery was held at the Calumet County Jail which is located in CHILTON, Wisconsin not Clinton, WI.

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  7. After watching the documentary, court proceedings, evidence in this case I am disgusted at the verdict of guilty in this case!!! Scary to know that the system can get away with putting innocent, poor, mentally challenged people away for life without any consequences for their actions! Come on people this is clearly wrong in sooooo many ways!!! Something needs to be done about this!!!!

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    1. You are right. They should have executed this homicidal moron.

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    2. I agree 100 percent.Anyone who watches the documentary can clearly see the whole picture.I am ashamed to of our government and how they allowed this injustice to stand.Evidence?what evidence?The only criminal activity was perpetrated by the prosecutors and law enforcement.They even bullied and wrongly coerced a minor with learning disabilities.The prosecutors were allowed to destroy and tamper with evidence as well as lie about the involvement of the countys law enforcement in the case.There is no justice in this case.And a murderer is still on the streets.the Burden of proof is on the prosecution and not the defense.there was no clear evidence after months and month and then suddenly it magically appeared and stevens blood sample was clearly tampered with as well

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    3. I think this story...proves...the police had the character of this piece of crap...RIGHT the first time...although the offense was not as bad. He was right where he was suppose to be when he was wrongly convicted.....Just think of the decent people/women/ he would have murdered all those yrs he was incarcerated.....what a filthy piece of fly maggot the whole family is.....Avery Fly Maggots...no wonder everyone hates them...They deserve nothing less than hate and disgust.....ROT IN JAIL...and I hope both maggots get beat up every day.....

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    4. You have got to be kidding me?? How do you sleep at night?

      The man was exonerated--as in ZERO doubt that he didn't commit the act that sent him to jail for 18 YEARS. That is on the state and those police you are protecting who screwed up doing their jobs at best and at worst used these same prejudicial attitudes you are clearly demonstrating (Bravo!!) to guide their corrupt investigations. A perversion of honesty and justice--you know, the ideals and morals of America.

      Are you kidding me? Go ahead and spit on the constitution while you are at it.

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    5. Judge Jerome Fox
      “He knows and he knew the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. It was his choice and he chose evil.” This corrupt Judge is talking about the criminal court establishment and he doesn't even realize it .

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  8. After watching the documentary, I am truely disturbed that the jury found him guilty. Clearly the evidence proved him innocent! Citizens should be very concerned, especially, if they are poor or mentally challenged. He was set up and they did not want to pay him the settlement from his first case he was cleared from. Prayers to all families involved.... Really makes me sick knowing that two innocent people are put away for something they clearly didn't do!!!

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  9. These two were ultimately convicted of this murder because the county DID NOT want to pay out money for the 18 yr wrongful arrest, conviction, and incarceration of Mr. Avery, while they knew full well he didn't have anything to do with it from start to finish. They found a 16 yr old boy who they knew they could manipulate, confuse, and help convict Mr.Avery. It's inconceivable that no evidence was found until the 2 cops who were involved in the previous case against Mr. Avery got involved again and the only evidence found at anytime were by those who were not even supposed to involved because of conflict of interest. YET THERE THEY WERE AT EVERY TURN! It's sad that Teresa Halbauch will never get the justice she deserves. If it were a member of my family I would be SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS!! No blood, hair, DNA, no nothing on the bed (where she was supposedly, bound, raped, beaten, haircut, their slit) where was all this evidence against this kid or his uncle???? None found in his house, trailer, garage, anywhere until those two officers showed up? Too many coincidences in this case, way too many, not 1 or 2, or 3 or 4 yep more than that!!

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    1. 100% Accurate on all accounts.. An ongoing criminal conspiracy at the municipal, state and federal levels. I see this being rectified by outage once people see the truth in the documentary that will not remain silent.. I sure won't!

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    2. Just because it is a "documentary" does not mean they covered and showed all aspects of the case. It may be slanted in one direction. Just like any media, you can't believe only or all of what you are seeing. It is a compelling story for sure and if I were to judge by this Netflix series alone,I too would find Steven and Brendan should have new trials.
      My concern is, SOMEONE killed her. In the show, there were only vague suggestions about other possibilities. In every statement or interview with the family and these two, there is not one mention of a possible alternate suspect. They were very careful not to bring up any different names. It does seem they know something and are all covering. They are looking for law loopholes or holes in the prosecution's case instead of the "real" killer. I gotta say, If I were innocent, my finger would be pointing in any and every direction. I would be turning over every rock looking for who did this.

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    3. As for "alternate" suspects; Based on what I saw in the Doc it appears the DA was granted a pre-trial motion in limine preventing the Def. from presenting any theory of third party liability (i.e they were denied the opportunity to present evidence of an alternate suspect.) Even so, as per the U.S. Constitution,and applicable state constitutions, the Def. is under no obligation to put on evidence of alternate suspects. Frankly, it is improper for a jury to consider the lack of an "alternate" suspect. They can't say "Garsh, well if nobody else killed her must've been Steven...so uh guess he's guilty". That's pure fucking poppycock and a gross dereliction of a jurors duty. They may only decide guilt on the basis of the properly admitted evidence at trial that proves Steven and Brendan unlawfully killed Ms. Halbach with malice afortethought. And, in this case I don't see how they could find either defendant guilty. On it's face the state's evidence would seem compelling, but when a reasonable person considers the source of that evidence I don't know how it could be given any weight. The part I find most troubling is tha Lenk discovered most of critical evidence. The same Lenk who was being sued by Steven. The same Lenk who had a big financial incentive to see Steven go away. The same Lenk who department committed malfeasance in consciously hiding exculpatory evidence that could have spared Steven 8 extra years in jail. That alone who cause me to vote NOT GUILTY. Then you add to that the the cops feeding facts to Brendan, Brendan's lawyers violation of his duty of loyalty and the complete absence of any of Ms. Halbach's DNA in the room where she was allegedly raped and I am dumbfounded that the jurors could convict. Then again, I think given the amount of pre-trial coverage prejudiced the jury pool. It was no accident that Kratz (AKA "the Prize"), waddled out in front of the cameras to malign the character of Steven. That is improper, and frankly unethical and in light of the setting scandal that came to light, it's not at all surprising behavior of a cerdo who would sexually harass a victim of domestic violence. This case highlights the disparate treatment of the poor in our criminal justice system. It's shameful.

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    4. Finding Teresa Halbach's murderer isn't the job, or responsibility, of the accused's defense team. It's the job of law enforcement and the Prosecutor. It wasn't the attorneys' job to prove who did kill her; only to make the case for reasonable doubt that their client did not. After watching the 10-hour series and reading many accounts from various sources, I don't think justice was served here. Not for Steven or Brendan Avery, and most importantly, not for Teresa Halbach.

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  10. how can the prosecutor use a witness story who recants on it and still able to get a win... shyt is crazy and confusing.. looks like its a fucked up job whoever killed her but someone has to pay for it...

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  11. The key to all of this is the 2 cops, and that they manipulated a 16 yro child that was unable to stand up to them all, no evidence shows up until theses cops do! None on the bed that they supposedly tied her to, beat, raped, cut her hair, slit her throat on.... And after the key was found in Mr. Avery's bedroom on the 4 or 5th search the only DNA that was found on her key was Mr. AVERY'S not even her own!! No evidence was ever found that Brendan had anything at all to do with Teresa's murder, NONE, HE WAS CONVICTED BY FALSELY CONFESSING!! This was all because they didn't want to pay out any money for the previous miscarriage of justice by this same police department/county!! That's it, they pissed off the wrong county, glad I'm nowhere near this place!!! NO JUSTICE FOR TERESA (maybe one day someone will come forward) it only took 18 years last time.....Keep your eyes open for officers Colburn & Lenk they hold the KEY or they did until it was dropped onto the floor of Mr. AVERY'S bedroom, the only evidence in his home period!!

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    1. Not to mention, if we are to believe both timelines, her throat was cut after raping her in the bedroom, then she was transferred to the garage and shot in the head? Meanwhile, not a spec of DNA evidence transferred between the two locations. This is a gross miscarriage of justice and all involved should be ashamed.

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    2. You make a valid observation. Her throat was allegedly cut! In order to make this assumption, there would have to be some actual facts to support it. There was testimony by experts with regards to the gunshot to the head that one might conclude as being fact. There was no conclusive facts, or testimony to support the theory that Teresa was stabbed in the stomach, muchless had her throat slit..

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    3. exactly right , and none of Teresa's DNA on her own key, we have murderous cops and criminal conspirators permeating the County of Manitowoc , Lenk ,Fox ,Katz all have blood on their hands , all will find themselves in the eternal burn barrel one day ! FREE STEVE AVERY , AN INNOCENT MAN railroaded by corrupt greed filled criminals in positions of authority .Murderers and thieves still on the loose . Get the hell out of Manitowoc ,you are being governed by monster vile criminal conspirators !

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  12. Is it possible the police set him up?

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    1. REALLY SET UP OF COURSE THEY DID YOU THINK THEY WERE GOING TO PAY THT MONEY. THEY WILL NEVER GET OUT UNTIL THERSAS BODY IS FOUND.

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    2. I don't think the cops would kill an innocent person. However I do wonder the possibility of a member of the Avery Family committed the crime. Now this family member does not have to be blood (The guy that lied about the fire (3ft high on report, 10ft high on the stand). He seems like a shady character and to be the only person jumping on the bandwagon against Steven Avery. He knew about the fire and could have burned the remains on the far site, used the burning barrel to transport the body to Avery's pit. Left the car obviously because of Avery's past deal with the County. I do believe that Manitowoc's involvement comes into play here as to single out Steven Avery vs try to find all possible suspects. In other words, take advantage of this opportunity to make sure Steven is convicted to gain their reputation back because they literally have everything on the line at this point and the only real motive. So instead of following up on possibly other family members, they specifically targeted and wanted Steven due to the 36 million and reputation on the line.

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  13. I can't understand why he would have done such a thing. Makes no sense. He had lots of money coming to him a good life ahead of him. The cops must set him up

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  14. Steven had just been released from prison had a nice girl he wanted to marry, money coming and national sympathy. WTF.... think ill murder somebody now. I DONT THINK SO Manatowoc County. You got this one wrong... again apparently. I would be investigating this all the way back before Steven ran the lady deputy off the road and see what grudges and vendettas become apparent. Do not be consoled into believing every cop prosecutor or judge is the "good guy" because of the title attached. Ever heard the song The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia? Well you can believe it aint fiction that corruption runs rampant in rural areas some would say more than the big city. My only question is..Is there no Lab in the world that can credibly conduct the blood test other than the F.riends with B.enefits I.nitiative? Really? What about the lady who testified that the FBI test was inconclusive?

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    1. Do you really think that your "logic" that he had a girlfriend and possibly some money would be inconsistent behavior for a homicidal maniac like this animal to commit this crime. Wow..

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    2. I did not see anything that convinced me that Steven is a homicidal maniac. What I saw was a half azz prosecution on the presumption of guilt rather than innocence. Logically... no reasonable person could have taken what evidence and been convinced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Try it yourself...? Stab a big plastic bag of red dye that is under pressure on your bed...then slash it... then shoot it 11 times and see if you can even clean all the "visible" mess. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Also handle your spouses car keys only 1 time...have the DNA tested a come back with "only your DNA" on the key. What you have... is an emotional verdict not a factual one. And as a person who deals "emotional" allegations daily. YES... that and lots of other presented or accussed behavior would be inconsistent. Let me just park this murder victims car here by the car crusher... be a shame to get rid of evidence.

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    3. Agreed!!! Another question is.. Which three of the six samples that were given for the EDTA test were tested? They don't say which ones they were. Might not have even been the one containing Steve's DNA in the car. And was the blood in the tube also tested to be sure that the EDTA was present in that sample?

      I have to say this after watching the doco.. Even if, and I'm not saying that they did but, even if Steve and Brendan did do something. It is for damned sure that there was evidence planted at the various scenes to be sure that they got Steve Avery for it. Way too many discrepancies in the way things were handled/found for there not to be.

      Oh and that horrid slimy lawyer Len Kachinsky that was supposed to be Brendan's attorney. What a Complete *******. I can't believe that no-one has mentioned him at all. He should be locked up and the key thrown away. Cannot believe that he got away with doing what he did and saying the things he said in emails. Seriously!!! I'm gobsmacked at that!!
      Rant Over. Sorry :)

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    4. Agreed Anonymous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  15. Even if Steven Avery used a fake name to request Teresa Halbach, shouldn't the address be familiar to her? Or at the very least once she turned onto the general road heading to that area, she would have known? I don't know what use it is, but it seems an odd point/non-point to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  16. I am just thankful that all of the jurors were/are more intelligent than the those posting here believing they are innocent. Could you be more willfully
    ignorant?

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    1. Oh, so you must work for the Manitowic Sheriff's Office....

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    2. It is not an odd thing that all those here who say guilty berate the intelligence of we who say not guilty. I would only point out that only the "innocent" side is discussing the EVVIIDDEENNCCEE rather than folding our arms and sticking our tongue out to those who disagree with us like kindergarteners. Here... ouch hurt my old knee but if I can come down to your level... NanananaBooBoo you've got your head stuck in doodoo.

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    3. If the jury was drinking the water in Dane county, they couldn't be sure of anything. Nothing like bringing in people who have a stake in the welfare of government and who were they anyway? Can we look into their background. I'm not suggesting anything other than knowing for certain they got it right. I could tell you boatloads about Ken Kratz...A little Quid Pro Quo times twenty. I could tell you much about Gerry Pagel, Gerry Fox and more. Gerry Fox had an uncle named Gaylord Nelson. Does that ring any bells? How about the fact that Jim Doyle and old Gaylord come from the same maternal line???

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    4. The one juror who had to leave for a family emergency had it right. Three ignorant bullies who had their minds already made up swayed the other nine into a "guilty" verdict. And then they agreed not to find him guilty of mutilation as a compromise. If this weren't the case then there was NO reason not to find Avery guilty of all the charges.

      One thing is certain, the two cops know who killed this poor woman. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they had people planted on that jury to get a guilty verdict. Anyone who can't see this, or the facts that clearly show Avery is innocent are just ignorant or related to these two cops. Or maybe they just hate people like the Avery's. I'm just glad that they only amount to a MINORITY here in this comment section.

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    5. Jenn E - I wish that I could rip your fu*king ears off your head since you don't use them. I wish I could rip your fu*king eyes out because you OBVIOUSLY didn't use them while watching this documentary. And finally I wish I could rip your cold dead heart out of your chest since you OBVIOUSLY don't fu*king use that either you SICK bi*ch. Go diem you're useless as a human being because if this was your brother, husband, son who was FRAMED for a crime your dumb ass wouldn't even consider saying that the jury made the right decision.

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    6. your one of the reasons he is in jail. you think that we are all ignorant come on, ignorant is anyone who believes he is guilty.

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  17. The system fuck his life....I hope that he can be happy out of jail soon....I believe his innocent. The system set him up! Thats all....

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  18. Steven Avery is obviously not the brightest star in the sky, but would he really be stupid enough to leave her vehicle on his property, blood in his vehicle, and the car key in plain site in his bedroom after allegedly going to all the trouble of cleaning up blood and burning the body to destroy evidence of her being there? It doesn't make sense.
    His nephew was obviously coerced into confessing (after seeing the interview video) the detectives led him into answering what they wanted to hear.
    They were both set up.

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  19. The real question is that if Steven didn't murder Teresa, then who did?
    I found the whole segment with the ex-boyfriend very peculiar. And one of Teresa's colleagues testified she was getting multiple calls from someone, but didn't know who. Couldn't the phone records of hers be pulled to see the repeated missed calls she had for who was harassing her?

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    1. Any one get Dna from roommate?or ex boyfriend ???

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    2. Want to know the real truth!December 20, 2015 at 9:23 AM

      Very good post. I was thinking the exact same thing about the "ex-boyfriend." I am not completely finished with all of the episodes yet but thus far, I do not recall any other DNA present though. How would someone else's DNA help Steve? Even Teresa's own DNA was not even found on her car key which was initially not in Steven's room until several inspections later. Totally absurd. I do agree that the ex-boyfriend seemed a bit odd when interviewed.

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    3. exactly who killed Theresa. the ex boyfriend the roommate. why would they give the only lady that found the car a camera. and who gave her the camera the roommate. her body will surface eventually. then again the truth will come out. and if the halbach family even believes the killer was caught they are just as ignorant as people think the averys were.

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    4. Just a week ago I was sitting in a courtroom in Detroit listening to a murder trial. The prosecution called a witness from AT&T wireless communications. The prosecutor asked her to elaborate on the cellphone records of the accused. The witness provided a detailed description/chart of the cellphone activity. She was able to indicate the location of the cellphone at any given time of day, using "Triangulation" through cell phone towers. I was absolutely blown away, because what she had done was placed the victim at a specific location where she met up with her attacker. He denied ever coming in contact with the victim, but yet his cellphone records put him at the scene of the crime.

      In Teresa's case, I believe if that technology existed then, the investigators could possibly develop a timeline to show precisely her whereabouts up until the cell towers nolonger received a signal from her cell phone. Imagine the truth's that would surface!

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    5. The body was found. It was burned completely, hence the bone shards with DNA they matched to Teresa. The whole point about not knowing who the real killer was is due to the fact that the COPS NEVER BOTHERED LOOKING FOR/AT ANYONE ELSE.

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    6. I do believe the x boyfriend has something to do with it..

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    7. On board with the ex-boyfriend or roommate theory. They don't report her as missing for 4 days. She is receiving harassing calls from someone she knows and is ignoring them. Patterns of an ex-boyfriend. His story on when the last time he saw her is cloudy. He cant remember what time of the day he saw her on 10/30, cant recall if it was AM or PM. He is then NOT EVEN QUESTIONED on his whereabouts on 10/31. He even says, he never once felt like a suspect.The entire search of the Avery property was also odd. Him and the roommate are given 1st access to the site, a direct line to the police and a camera is given to Ms. Halbachs cousin Patty, who the ex-bf says on the stand he has never met before. Really? In 5 years since dating/see Ms. Halbach you never once met this cousin, who as much as I could tell, resides in the area. The hacking into her cell phone was also a red flag. He "guessed" the password to view cell records, then someone, who had her phone deleted voice mails which could be huge clues to Ms. Halbachs last few days. I'm not buying much of the ex-boyfriends story.

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  20. I agree whole heartedly. The thought that there very well may be a killer on the loose because this "law enforcement team" chose not to investigate fully is scary. As stated in the series both the sheriff and district attorney are executive branch. NOT JUDICIAL. There is no discretion to be had by them. They are to do what the law tells them they must. A prosecutor shall seek justice "not conviction" they shall not conceal evidence nor secrete witnesses. The Court and all law enforcement officers of that court shall conduct themselves in a manner which ensures the fairness of all proceedings to the defendant and his "presumption of innocence".

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  21. I'm ashamed to live in Wisconsin. The judicial system here is one of the most corrupt in the country. Twice I have been excused from jury duty immediately. I know this first hand. At a trial against my brother-in law, initiated by him, he consistantly perjured himself. When I questioned the DA about key pertinent facts in the trial with written depositions from to two different people, the DA told me "if we went after everybody who lied in court, the jails would be full and courts would never catch up." The judge did a 180 turnaround on the judgement and ruling saying that the 3 day trial had jurors who misunderstood the instructions and facts. I was told buy my attorney that we could challenge the judge's reversal at a cost of doubling the fee. What a money grinding, corrupt system.

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  22. Steven Avery is CLEARLY innocent of this crime. This is absolutely absurd. The judicial system and cops need to PAY for what they did to that poor girl. I bet anything too that the cops got to the jury and some of them were paid or knew someone that worked for the state so they sided with them. Get your act together people! This is so unfair. Steven Avery already had 18 years taken away for nothing, now this?!?!?!

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  23. Steven Avery framed for murder, and still there is a murder loose. Solve this murder! Teresa Halbach was murdered in the quarry obviously and planted evidence on the Avery premises by corrupt police force. Extreme flaws evidentiary process, obvious lying by the prosecution witnesses, and sworn experts on the stand. Almost 2016 amazing injustice, and a family ruined. Free Steven and Brendan.

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    1. The answer lies within the Halbach family and the masonic lodge...Have you noticed that the Masonic lodge in Chilton went defunct around the time this happened?

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    2. My theory on the key is that the rav4 was found prior to it being found in the salvage yard (hence the cop calling in a license plate prior to it really being discovered, as heard on a call to dispatch and also which the cop could not answer why he called it in if he wasn't looking at the plates during the trial) Cops had the key, and cleaned it (hence no prints or dna from the victim) planted Avery's DNA on the key and planted it in the bedroom.

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  24. It is an amazing story of corruption at it's finest. I do believe that Mike Halbach or the ex boyfriend and her roommate at the time have some secrets that they are living with. Not to forget Manitowoc's Finest also will have to face the truth someday. It's amazing they can sleep at night or look their children in their eyes and after the horrendous acts of misjustice. Ole dirty Ken Kratz got his Karma for his little sexting act. Wisconsin Misjustice while the real killer is still out there.

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  25. Ok Wisconsin with all due respect to Teresa and yes Steven also. I can stand over a DNA sample talking to my colleagues and (ahmm) accidentally contaminate the sample with my own DNA. And I can also pull DNA from a key of a man who has handled it one time BUT I cant find the keys owners DNA on that key. LOL... NO Fn WAY. What a messed up joke of a sham of a prosecution. You jury members are supposed to eat the cheese not smoke it.

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  26. Binge watched doc on Netflix. I'm horrified. I feel sick. Wish we could do something but no idea what.

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  27. First of all I just followed the whole story, I would like to say that I have a daughter and I feel deeply sorry for the real issue here... They gruesomely lost their child who seemed to be a great person. Even saying that, I had reservations as to whether or not Avery and dassey did this because of all the corrupt police and statements, I truly believe they railroaded that 16yr old child, questioning him without his parent or a lawyer present and it was quite obvious that this kid was not mentally all there and that he really didn't understand what was happening to him, he just wanted to tell them what they wanted him to say so that he could get back to school by 1:39 for a test. He wasn't even at the common sense level to know that he was not going to be leaving that jail. There was just so much that didn't make sense in this story, so many holes and police injustice. I would never take away from what happened to Teresa, she never deserved that no one does and I can't imagine what her parents or brother is going through. But then again, I don't think the chops did their job on this correctly and whether or not they are guiltily or not, I hope one day we have enough evidence and respected cops and DA's that they can reevaluate this case and at least find the truth of what happened to this young girl or find the true person or persons that did this. I do not believe what they did to dassey was right, EVERYTHING about this was wrong what they, chips and investigators did to him. He was in no shape to be dealing with these sofisticated Torres of people. I mean no harm towards him, follow the whole investigation and you'll see yourself, several times I saw where they put words in this kids mouth and scared him into what they wanted to hear. So wrong! I hope some day all the parents in this case find peace

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    1. Want to know the real truth!December 20, 2015 at 10:34 AM

      I agree with you. Teresa and her family were victims of a horrible crime. Unfortunately, they were caught up in a corrupt cover-up against Steve Avery. If the officer's were watching Gregory Allen everyday, I submit to you that they were watching Steve Avery everyday, especially when a lawsuit against them was in the works. Steve stated that he watched her leave that day after making pictures. The sherrif's department did this to deflect their guilt and make Steven look like a real murderer. Teresa's family are the real victims. Do they question any of this? Is it enough to know that someone is behind bars for their daughters murder or knowing that they have most likely been played and manipulated by a corrupt office of law enforcement that most likely had something to do with their daughter's murder, and that she was most likely a "pawn" used for their benefit. I have a daughter near her age. I would not rest if the trial of my daughter's death would have gone down as this one did. My God, reasonable doubt resounds from this case. Is that not the foundation in which we DON'T convict on? Reasonable doubt????

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  28. I feel for Steven Avery’s family. You can look into his mothers eyes and see that poor woman has spent a lifetime crying for the injustice against her son. The justice system screwed him and when he finally proved he was innocent, they turned around and screwed him again.

    The saddest part of it all is Teresa Halbauch will never have justice.

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    1. All for the love of money and killer cop careers
      . outraged !!!!!

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  29. Why don't they focus on the phone call to verify the licence plate more? I mean, if he was given the plate number then he wouldn't need to call in and verify it. So he was obviously looking at the car before they found it in the lot. I know that's not incontrovertible evidence, but seriously.

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    1. EXACTLY RIGHT.... They found the car and took it to Avery's Lot.

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    2. I have been thinking exactly that since I completed watching the series. Glad someone else noticed it as well! I'm sure they didn't say more about it in trial because of the instructions to not search for an alternative killer, but seriously that cop has definitely not come clean

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    3. Yes, the call-in. Why would he call it in unless the car looked suspicious or he knew about the missing person report and connected the two. As I recall, during the call-in the missing person situation was mentioned. Why then would the cop just leave the car without calling for investigation? Isn't it suspect that the cop identified the year of the vehicle without being told? That indicates he was looking at the car, though he claimed he wasn't. Then who removed the plates and moved the car? There is one innocent explanation: the cop had been told to be watching for the car, and was given the year, and the plate; and he was double checking the information by calling in for a plate check.

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    4. This is the saddest store I have ever seen! The justice system has failed these individuals on so many levels! It sickens me! I pray there is justice for these men. But in the end it will never happen. Wisconsin would have a billion dollar lawsuit against its upper judicial echelon. It's the said state of corruption in protecting there own. You rub my back ill rub yours attitude in government That is why America incarcerates more people then any other country.

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  30. The lack of humility in this state is scary... What I don't understand is how can the girls family but this crap?? I would demand that they find the murderer. I pray that someone find what they are covering up

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  31. Just watched Making a Murderer.
    The Criminal Justice System in the US is flawed.

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  32. I am Canadian and we had a case almost 50 years ago where the police framed a young man by the name of David Milgaard. This case is very similar.
    If there is crowd funding for Steven Avery's defense please let me know as it will be the first thing I donate my money to!
    This man was set up!!!!!!

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  33. This man needs money to mount a proper defense.
    Who is going to organize the crowd funding.

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  34. Want to know the real truth!December 20, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    Unbelievable! Strang made the comment that Brendan's defense attorney or someone needed to really represent this educationally challenged teenager (my paraphrasing of what he said). We all know that attorney's careers are made when determining justice for someone in a high-profiled case. Why did Buting and Strang not take on Brendan as a client as well (pro-bono if necessary) to form a united front against this obvious corrupt sherrif's department? My God, there were so many interviews of the sherrif's deputies, detectives, lying SOB's in my opinion, where you could read their body language and their face and see the lies. Where are the body language experts in this case? My God, we use body language experts in the political asylum of electing a president of this country, but not in trying to free an innocent man? Good example: watch Sgt, Andrew Colburn on the stand when he called into dispatch and called off the license plate number to be ran and Lynn in dispatch told him that it was a missing person Teresa Halbach. Colburn asks "A '99 Toyota?" and Lynn states yes. Strang questioned how Colburn could have rattled off that license plate on 11/3/05 when the Toyota Rav wasn't found by the female searcher until 11/5/05 who stated that there were no license plates on the vehicle that was covered in brush. He looked like he was about to piss his pants. Are we as American's willing to turn our heads to the obvious? Even now, in 2015 after the questionable killings of American's by the police which has caused notable riots. Do we actually think that this kind of "strong-arming of the law" is just now occurring in our society? No, these officers were going to be exposed for the pathetic lying trash that they were when Steve first went to jail. Frankly, I believe the judge in this case was paid off as well. Im not completely finished with the series so I am sure that I will have further comments. I welcome your rebuttals. Maybe somehow these blog posts can somehow help to save a man and a young boy who had no idea that he could tell law enforcement that he was not answering 1 single question until an attorney was present. Open your eyes people. This is corruption in the truest form!!

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    1. I agree with your comment completely!! I too think the judge was paid off. I think a lot of people in this case were paid off!! Horrible just horrible!!

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    2. Lawyers are prohibited from representing two codefendants in a case. It's a conflict of interest.

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    3. Want to know the real truth!December 21, 2015 at 12:14 AM

      Ok, I'll accept the conflict of interest but you cannot tell me that these attorneys could not have sought out a colleague that could have helped out in this infamous situation.

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    4. totally agree , it was so obvious the entire lot of them were paid off !!! Its alaways about the money and careers .This corrupt pony show is evil incarnate . Steve Avery is an innocent man . Trial should never have been held in Manitowoc County . No way to find 12 independent non bias jurors .This trial is O.J. Simpson in reverse . Disgusting ,repugnant ,vile ,despicable . they criminal cops .D.A. and all others involved are still at large . The criminals run the JUST-US system . Not having to pay out 36 million and expose a plethora of corrupt criminal subhuman "law enforcement" filth was all the motive these bastards needed to do the unthinkable ,inconceivable ,satanic deed they coldly cunningly and calculatingly did . Outright horrendous breach. Jury should be ashamed of themselves as well .

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    5. where is Scott Walker ? He can Order Steve Released and the corrupt criminal killers in Manitowoc county prosecuted

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  35. Want to know the real truth!December 20, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    My comment will be posted after approval? Approval from whom? What are the requirements justifying approval? Is this website generated from the sherrif's department of Manitowoc?

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    1. Good question I wanted the same thing I got the same reply. Who is running the show here?

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  36. Definitely a corrupt county, sheriff's department and judicial system. They didn't like the Avery's so no one was willing to stand up and say, "wait a minute" at any of several opportunities to question the actions of this counties people. It is so damn hard to believe this kind of total BS can be gotten away with.

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  37. As a former Wisconsinite, I was appalled and sicken by this travisity of justice. Who's working to fix this?

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  38. This is the worst case of gross injustice I have ever seen. Lenk and Colburn need to be removed from law enforcement! Kratz is a pervert and should be banned from ever working in any courtroom ever again!! Something needs to be done to help Avery and Dassey get out.

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  39. I agree. This documentary was very disturbing. I cried for the Avery family and want to spit in the Wisconsin judicial system. Discussing. Is there s fund set up to appeal these cases? At least a fair trail. And to get to the bottom of the judicial illegalities?

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    1. Want to know the real truth!December 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM

      I want to know the same thing. I have looked for websites in support of Steve. I hope that Lenk and Colburn can sleep at night. There are reserved seats in h-ll for both of them. They destroyed this man's whole life. This case spewed over with reasonable doubt. Shame on the jury who lacked the educational ability to understand the definition of reasonable doubt. Kratz said in closing arguments that for the defense stand to hold that the cops would have to kill her. That the cops came across a 25 year old photographer, mutilated her body and burned it all to set up Steven Avery. Let me remind you that the sherrif's department was watching Allen on a daily basis. Do you think that they did not watch Avery on a daily basis when he was suing them? Not a chance. They say Teresa pull out of that driveway and they took their opportunity to kill her and plant evidence to show that Steven Avery did it. The pride these officers had for themselves is pathetic. I pray that Wisconsin officials in the Supreme Court will find it within themselves to quit protecting the scum that swore to the duty to protect but are simply worried about protecting themselves. Wives and children of these pathetic officers, hold your head low. My heart goes out to you. You are as much of a victim as Steve Avery, Teresa, her family, and Steven's family. But know, everyday you are looking in the eyes of the poorest excuse of public defenders that reside within this great country.

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  40. I agree. It is so disgusting to see the way the dude judicial process works in the state of Wisconsin. I find it so disturbing and sad. Those cops and that lawyer should go to hell. If there is a fund set up to help those boys get a fair trial finally, I would love to help. They deserve at least that. And there should be some looking into the inappropriate use of evidence and perhaps illegal tactics that were used in this case.

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  41. I do believe that this system is corrupted and they have the abilily to frame anyone that pulls a lawsuit against the police. I believe that steven and brendan are innocent but it will be hard to prove it. I did not see no motive or enough evidence in murder but 3 things that could be planted but no d,n,a to proof guiltly in this case.

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  42. The unethical da on this case deserves to hear from people here too. He is sick man. Loved in a bubble of lies long enough. Hè still practices law and tries to be a victim now too after harassing women he was defending. Sick man
    http://www.kratzlawfirm.com

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  43. Both cases should have been declared a mistrial.
    WI judicial system is corrupt.
    I am not saying guilty or not guilty but there was to much bad police work and appointed attorney coruption.

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  44. I think there is one main issue that you have to deal with if you think the police killed Teresa Halbach and not Steve Avery. That question is how could the police have done it. For the police to have been able to do this they would have had to kidnap Teresa as soon as she left Avery`s property (otherwise she would have had time to use her phone or could have been seen alive driving her car away from the property). In order to achieve this they would have then had to of kidnapped her pretty much at the end of Avery`s property. They would then have to kill Teresa, take her car to another part of Avery`s property, shoot her 11 times and burn her body on his property, all without Steve Avery seeing this or any of his family. That to me seems very unlikely. Yes I think that it would be very easy for the police to plant evidence such as the car key in his bedroom with ease and spreading some DNA. But I can not see how they could manage to be on the property, kidnap her, plant her car, shoot her 11 times and burn her body without Steve (who never left his property and the fire was very close to his house, seeing any of this). I don't think we will ever get the full story and its almost impossible to know his nephews full involvement, I doubt a lot of what he said was true. But his family report he returned home with large bleach marks on his pants that night and we know that bleach is almost always used to try and remove blood/DNA. It may be that Teresa was not injured or attacked inside his house(the nephew is not a reliable witness)The rape or killing could have happened on the concrete floor in the workshop (the one found with bleach on it) or the rape was performed there and she was killed on the grass at the fire pit (with the fire destroying much of the dna). Avery got a lot of public support because of the wrong conviction he got for the rape. But I think we get an idea about the type of person he is from his previous actions. When he was over 18 years old(not a young kid as he likes to say) he took a cat, soaked it in petrol and burnt it alive. That is sick, not only that he showed no remorse for this behaviour when he talked about it. He made excuses for it, saying he was young. The guy also rammed a woman off the road (his cousin) and held a gun at her (that is not normal behaviour, we only have his word that it was not loaded). Again he showed no remorse about these actions and in fact tried to minimise them when he talked about them. Yes he was under a huge amount of stress in jail but who writes to his wife and children to state that he wants to kill her. This man is a cold blooded killer. I am in no way defending what the police did during the rape trial, they will have to live with that. But I also doubt that Avery`s other convictions, exposure, battery, burglary and this rape and murder are they only crimes he has ever committed. Criminals rarely get caught every time they commit a crime.

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    1. Want to know the real truth!December 21, 2015 at 12:26 AM

      Do you really think that the officers could not have kidnapped Teresa? They could have waited until she was 5 minutes down the road and out of sight of the Avery's place. Chances are she would not have used her cellphone in the first 5 minutes of leaving Avery's place. Don't be naïve. If these officers could plant the evidence that they did, kidnapping and brutally killing Teresa was the easy part of this corrupt and sick act. May God bless and open the eyes of Teresa's family.

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    2. All I am going to say is that the county had an extra 36 Million Dollars to spend. In America, you can buy a lot of witnesses, find a lot of evidence, and fund a lot of killings, and still walk away with a lot of money. Oh, and you can pay for a verdict!!! Just saying

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    3. I submit that it was someone else, maybe the boyfriend of Brendan's mom, and that the car and perhaps the body was left somewhere on the property after the dastardly act was carried out. Perhaps the cops only planted the evidence to cement their belief that only Steven could have done it.

      I'd like to know why Brendan didn't smell the unmistakable smell of a burning body if everything happened the way the cops claim.

      Although I read in the above summary about the case about the bleach stains, I don't remember anything about that in any of the evidence presented during the trial (in the Netflix series). I also don't remember anything about the bullet being matched to the rifle found in Steven's bedroom. Were these additional facts just made up after the fact by someone wanting to believe he's guilty?

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    4. Good point, that some things that seem very important were not put in the documentary. This hurts the credibility of the documentary, and gives one room to think maybe the trial result was correct. Actually, I wouldn't feel confident about any conclusion I could make unless I read the whole transcript.
      Items: documentary didn't show the defense talking about the vial of blood with a hole in the cap. Doc said they weren't allowed to talk about another person being the killer. However, they would always be allowed to show a theory of another (unidentified) killer if that theory is more consistent with the evidence than guilt of the defendant. If you aren't allowed to claim an alternative explanation of the evidence is better than the prosecutor's explanation, then you are being prohibited from making a defense.
      If the documentary is reasonably close, my theory is that the actual murderers committed the crime and placed the evidence later that night or even another day, knowing the police didn't like the Avery's and wouldn't look too hard at alternate suspects. The the police were pleased to find such a handy situation where Avery looked guilty from the start (until you actually look at the evidence carefully).

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  45. If you think the police will not lie you are so very wrong.I know for a fact they will and so will the Federal government .Just because they have a badge or hold an office does not make them Honest men !

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  46. I believe Lenk and Colborn conspired to set Avery up after they realized their jobs their pensions their reputations and their families were at risk and they were on the hook for $36million in damages.
    I do not believe they waited to take advantage of a random murder which they then used to frame Avery for. I mean who knows when the next murder will come along and the chances that this random murder had Avery as the last person to see the victim is way too perfect to be random. No this was set up and performed beginning to end including the murder by Lenk and Colbourn in my opinion.
    The rest of the investigative and prosecutorial team were just guilty of the same incompetent and systemic unprofessionalism that led our two corrupt officers from the beginning to have to cover their tracks. Sad story of how gradual choices become more and more evil to protect an ever deepening attempt to cover their ineptness. If the departments involved would have searched for truth rather than confessions and convictions and publicity glory the two officers would never have gotten away with what appears to be a very clear case of murder by cops. I hope justice is served before the Avery parents pass away and I hope the Halbachs learn the truth. Sad

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  47. This is truly one of the saddest most horrible injustices done to a family. My heart of course goes out to Teresas family but the horrors that have been put upon the Avery family is beyond belief. The police and corrupt attorneys are the ones that should be in jail. Not only did they choose to ignore who the real rapist ( first case) and then to not pursue who really murdered Teresa just shows how they are the ignorant ones. I pray for Teresa and her family but I pray also for Steven and Brendon and my heart really goes out to Stevens parents. Everyone in the court systems who have denied the Averys their justice are truly the most corrupt and evil people, they need only look in the mirror to see the real guilty parties.

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  48. We don't know who killed Teresa Halbeck. But, after watching this show it is clear that the evidence presented was not sufficient for a guilty verdict for either Avery or Dassy. In fact, the handling of this case was a fabrication from the start. What is clear is that the Manitowoc sheriff's Department is corrupt and needs to be cleaned up, and attorney Ken Kratz of Superior did not serve the state of Wisconsin honorable as a D.A. These convictions should be overturned. and I would gladly donate to a fund dedicated to that end.

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  49. Want to know the real truth!December 21, 2015 at 12:46 AM

    Did anyone catch the fact that Steven Avery was NOT found guilty of mutilation but that Brendan Dassey WAS found guilty of mutilation? Per Kratz, this was a one-man show. I looked at Kratz's website. PATHETIC! He did not successfully try this case and win. He is as corrupt as the officers who killed Teresa. Where is the Supreme Court? This mans life has been destroyed. His whole life. This documentary infuriated me and saddens me to the very core.

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    1. The reason for the convictions on the additional counts was because Brendon's confession (false or otherwise) included information about sexual assault and mutilation. Colburn, Weigert, and Kratz are shameless.

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  50. Want to know the real truth!December 21, 2015 at 1:15 AM

    Reviews on Len Kachinsky.......


    Unprofessional



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    Posted by a client
    December 19, 2015

     Hired attorney



    After being "defended" by Attorney Kachinsky for a few weeks, I found he was condescending and treated me like I was guilty and in no way helped my case. I became disappointed and fired him as soon as I could. I highly advise against hiring him as your attorney. He made a quick buck off of me and horribly misrepresented me.









    The biggest mistake I made in the past year is hiring Len Kachinsky.



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    Posted by a client
    April 19, 2015




    Len kachinsky claims to be an army veteran which he very well could be. How ever when it comes down to serving veterans that actually served in a combat zone he is as unresponsive as they come. I am a 100% disabled veteran I suffered serious physical and physiological injuries while deployed to Iraq. Len kachinsky knew this, how ever he chose to not inform me of my right to be heard in a veterans court. He conspired with the district attorney to force me to drive 1600 miles to Wisconsin to get served with a restraining order. Now the DA Douglass jones is attempting to strip me of my second amendment right and prevent me from protecting my family and myself by UNCONSTITUTIONLY preventing me from owning a firearm. Len kachinsky took my money, deprived me right to be heard in a veterans court, and has aided in the attempt to strip of my right to protect myself. There's a special place in hell for these types of people.

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  51. Want to know the real truth!December 21, 2015 at 2:18 AM

    I have initiated a petition to the White House. It must have 100,000 signatures by January 20, 2016. I urge you to sign the petition if you believe that Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey were wrongfully convicted. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-wrongful-incarceration-steven-avery-and-brendan-dassey

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    1. Hello to "want to know the whole truth!"
      I typed in the entire address for your petition. But all it did was take me to the gov site. How do I get to your petition?

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    2. THANK YOU!

      Folks, This PETITION is only GOOD FOR 30 DAYS.

      PLEASE CONSIDER SIGNING IT.

      A FAIR TRIAL IS A MUST FOR EVERYONE!

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  52. WHAT A SAD DAY IN WISCONSIN! THIS IS WHY WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT AND MORE REFORM...

    EVERY TESTIMONY, EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE, ALL TAINTED. NO SOLID PROOF, BUT YET CONVICTED... I AM BAFFLED AS TO WHY STEVEN AVERY'S LAWYER'S DID NOT SEEK A CHANGE OF VENUE FOR THIS TRIAL. IT IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS THAT BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THIS CASE, PUTTING FORWARD A DEFENSE THAT STEVEN AVERY WAS FRAMED FOR MURDER AS A RESULT OF HIS FILING A 36 MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT THAT THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY HAD MOTIVE! NOT TO MENTION THE WRONGFUL PROSECUTION PRIOR TO HIS BEING CHARGED AGAIN.

    A MAN SPENDS 18 YEARS LOCKED UP FOR A CRIME THAT HE LATER IS EXONERATED OF GETS OUT AND DECIDES TO KILL A WOMAN THAT HE HAS A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH SEEMS MORE LUDICROUS THAN A CORRUPT POLICE FORCE INCLUDING ALL THE PROSECUTORS EXPERT WITNESSES THAT WERE SUMMONED TO GIVE FALSE TESTIMONY TO AVOID LIABILITY FOR WRONGFULLY PROSECUTING STEVEN AVERY, WHICH HE WOULD HAVE LIKELY PREVAILED IN HIS LAWSUIT!

    ANOTHER THING I FOUND INTERESTING WAS THAT THE BROTHER OF DASSY, BOBBY APPEARED TO BE A PERSON OF INTEREST BASED ON HIS EFFORTS TO AID THE PROSECUTOR. IT IS MY BELEIF THAT BOBBY SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED, THAT POSSIBLY A WARRANT TO SEARCH HIS HOME SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXECUTED, AND THAT IF THERE WAS ANY SIGNIFICANT DNA TO BE FOUND, THAT IT WAS CLEARLY OBVIOUS THAT TERESA WAS MURDERED ELSEWHERE!

    rlrolfe@hotmail.com

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  53. Weigert, Colburn, Kratz are despicable liars. What a tragedy for all.

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  54. What sorrow and heartache for both the families. After watching the documentary It is apparent that someone got away with murder. The wrong people are in prison. The police barely investigated others that were closer to Teresa, like her ex boyfriend, room mate family members. If they had done that it may have uncovered more motive and possibly a crime scene. The fact that there was no DNA evidence, the location of the car and burn pit and no blood spatter in the garage and the suddenly appearing key, makes this a fairly easy not guilty decision. I was shocked that the Jury found Steve and Brendan Guilty. Another fine example of County Government/Police abuse.

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  55. Seems a change of venue would of made no difference seeing as it was given in the 16 year old nephew's case and even he was still found guilty with no physical evidence at all. I believe that jurors were tainted. The one juror who had to leave for a family emergency said it best. That when he left there were just three who said guilty right from the beginning, and they appeared very stubborn. Apparently stubborn enough to sway the other nine into a guilty verdict. I'll bet all three could have been planted to do just that.

    I also am surprised that no one was ever given a lie detector test. I would love to have seen how those two cops would of done under one. Also, rlrolfe, why do you feel the need to YELL?

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    1. folks that are outraged, YELL! lol

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  56. Every murder is tragic, but this one is even more so because it was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Steven Avery and/or his nephew Brendan Dassey actually killed Miss Halbach. Steven and Brendan may well be guilty, but I don't see how either one of the two juries could possibly rule so under the evidence presented.

    My heart goes out to the Halbach family, the Avery's, and the Dassey's. Nobody 'won' in this ineptitude of a criminal investigation.

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  57. Truly appalled by this documentary. Why would Steven burn a body twenty feet away from his front door, or park the car on his property? He had a huge crushing machine available to him yet did not use it? Lenk and Colburn had a lot to lose, they both were involved in the first case (where Steven was found innocent after 18 years in prison) and could have lost their pension/homes etc if his civil case had gone through. Amazingly they found the important evidence, both the bullet fragment and key. I hope, now the film crew and lawyers have gone that Steven and Brendan have not been totally abandoned

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  58. Is it really that hard for people to grasp the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" with the burden of proof resting with the prosecution and proved beyond a reasonable doubt? Far better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man be wrongly deprived of his liberty.

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  59. The first I had heard of this case was yesterday. I have not had the pleasure of viewing the entire trial, nor have I read the transcripts but based upon what was presented in the documentary and despite what anyone in these replies has stated could have been presented as an attempt to show innocence via police corruption and being framed for murder, the facts presented in this documentary would not have been sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these two people committed this crime.

    These men were subjected to a trial by media at the mouth of Ken Krantz. He stated in a press conference, before the trial, that Brendan Dassey had confessed. He then went into a detailed account of what they stated had happened. The details given were based upon as coercion of a minor child who did not have anyone, including the principal or school counselor present during his questioning, much less an attorney or his parents! Did the police or school notify Brendan’s parents that he was pulled from class to be questioned about his involvement in a murder investigation?

    Issues. There is a testing agent used to find body fluids at a crime scene. Luminol has been available in the US since 1937. The problem with this solution is that the test results may be inconclusive if the "stain" was washed. Enter Blue-Star Forensic - a blood reagent that was developed around 1996, and fine-tuned in 2000. In May 2006, the company that produces BlueStar published a report about the substance's ability to detect blood on areas that were "washed" or "cleansed".

    Were these used? Did the prosecution quell the findings and THEN focus on the garage once the evidence from the bedroom did not produce the desired results?

    A Calumet County deputy claims in March 2006, the garage was searched - every single item was removed. A question that should have been on the juror's minds-why wasn’t every item removed from Steven Avery's home where the violent act occurred? Had the room been processed correctly, the shoes to left of the book case, to the right of the doorway, would have been removed prior to the bookcase. The key should have been found in that room during the first day in November. An investigation cannot be claimed to have been thoroughly conducted for eight straight days, then four months later, an additional two days, and the key not found until the final day in March 2006. It is ludicrous and completely unbelievable.

    Jurors, you had a duty to consider all of the evidence. I wonder how you moved beyond these two extremely important pieces of information. How can you convict someone of murder beyond reasonable doubt when the physical evidence was not present in that bedroom? You have a duty now, if you have any doubt that you made the right decision, to come forward and speak up. It’s the moral thing to do.

    To the family of these two men, there are people in this country that believe these two men were neither treated fairly before trial (Krantz’s press conference before the trial), nor were they provided with a fair and impartial jury, not in any way biased or swayed by the community’s thoughts on the crimes being conducted by “an Avery”. That type of moronic thinking is present everywhere. It hurts a defense. Add the fuel of a pre-trial crime/crime scene description to that fire and you have very little hope for a verdict of innocence.

    That does not mean you should give up hope. “Unethical conduct by the nation’s police officers continues to occur in departments large and small.” (FBI.gov, https://leb.fbi.gov/2011/may/police-corruption-an-analytical-look-into-police-ethics). Hang in there Averys and Dasseys. Your plight has been heard from a whole new perspective and that should give you great hope!

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  60. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investgate-and-pardon-averys-wisconsin-and-punish-corrupt-officials-who-railroaded-these-innocent-men

    keep this petition alive!

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  61. You can access the Federal Writ of Habeas Corpus on www.pacer.gov. Once in PACER, go to USDC-Eastern District of Wisconsin,
    Case #1:14-cv-1310. Look at Exhibits 40, 41, 42 in the most recent Dassey filing. They are emails between law enforcement and Dassey's second attorney and, IMO, are incredibly damaging to the State. It appears Dassey's second attorney, Nan???, was clandestinely providing law enforcement and DA Krantz with information and assumptions about Dassey, his OWN client! Unbelievable! Another fine example of our nation's "Just Us" system.

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  62. It is beyond obvious that the crooked cop that called in the victim's plates several days BEFORE the car was found was looking at the victim's car when he made the call. This gave him several days to plant Avery's blood in the vehicle, which was removed from the vile in evidence storage from Avery's prior wrongful conviction. Ask yourself this: how could someone do the impossible and remove all traces of blood, blood spatter, hair, and other DNA from the grizzly horror scene trumpeted by the prosecution, and yet, be so utterly careless as to leave the victim's car key in plain sight and keep the victim's car on the property with his blood smeared on such obvious places like the ignition? Avery had a crusher on the property and could have easily crushed and buried the vehicle, with the key, never to be seen again. This story is a tragedy and the worst case of government corruption you'll ever find.

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  63. THIS CASE REMINDS ME IN MANY WAYS OF THE WEST MEMPHIS 3 CASE. THE POLICE COERCED A CONFESSION FROM A PERSON WHO WAS MENTALLY CHALLENGED AND USED IT TO CONVICT THE OTHER TWO WITH NO DNA , NO EVIDENCE AND LIES MADE UP BY PEOPLE WHO WERE MADE PROMISES BY THE POLICE TO DROP DRUG CHARGES, ETC. ALL OF THEM LATER RECANTED. THE WEST MEMPHIS 3 WERE POOR, UNEDUCATED FROM WRONG SIDE OF TOWN. SAD HOW OFTEN THIS HAPPENS AND WE RARELY HEAR ABOUT IF NOT FOR THE DOCUMENTARIES.

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  64. Hey to "want to know the whole truth "
    Would like to sign your petition. Typed in entire address. Got to gov site, but can't seem to find petition. Can you help?
    I binged watched the entire documentary from start to finish. Words cannot express how sick and horrible I feel a about the two verdicts.I am not a lawyer, but I am a 58 year old, and OMG,this is off the charts injustice.

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  65. Hey, "want to know the truth"
    I would like to sign your petition. Typed in entire address. Can find gov site, but how do I get to petition?
    OMG, this is injustice on steroids!

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  66. The President of our lovely nation needs to personally get to the bottom of this poor display of our justice system, from what I seen in the documentary there is clear evidence of corruption in the manitowoc county

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  67. The President of our lovely nation needs to personally get to the bottom of this poor display of our justice system, from what I seen in the documentary there is clear evidence of corruption in the manitowoc county

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  68. Does anyone else see the possibility that Teresa Halbach could have been pulled over and executed by a corrupt police officer who then planted the evidence which framed Steven Avery. It's not as if the corrupt officer could not have watched undetected and followed her after she took the pictures of the van. A trained officer could do it and get away with it. I don't believe it would be as difficult as they would lead you to believe.

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  69. Does anyone else see the possibility that Teresa Halbach could have been pulled over and executed by a corrupt police officer who then planted the evidence which framed Steven Avery. It's not as if the corrupt officer could not have watched undetected and followed her after she took the pictures of the van. A trained officer could do it and get away with it. I don't believe it would be as difficult as they would lead you to believe.

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  70. Does anyone else see the possibility that Teresa Halbach could have been pulled over and executed by a corrupt police officer who then planted the evidence which framed Steven Avery. It's not as if the corrupt officer could not have watched undetected and followed her after she took the pictures of the van. A trained officer could do it and get away with it. I don't believe it would be as difficult as they would lead you to believe.

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  71. Why not recreate the conditions under which the blood in the car went through before testing using a sample of the blood from the vial or another like it and seeing what the results are? I mean one expert said its a reliable test, the other said its hogwash. I'd like to know whether that blood could have come from the vial or not!

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  72. sorry guys, he did it. I think, despite what Steven Avery said when asked if he blamed Penny Beernsteen, he really did resent her for falsely accusing her. Teresa has a close resemblance to Penny and that was probably his first opportunity to act on his extreme pent up rage when she came by the house that day and he was by himself. He might have even planned ahead it if it's true that he asked for her by name. Steven is not smart but smart enough to use every bit of his intelligence to his advantage. To believe he did is to understand that he is almost a perfect liar and skillful at playing "simple". Could he really think that removing license plates was good enough to conceal the ownership of a vehicle? No. Car guys know what a vin number is. Did he think that he could talk his way out of involvement in the ordeal from the outset, thus avoiding a property search altogether? Yes. He looked almost boastful when first interviewed on tv in the first days of Teresa's disappearance. The burn pit on the same night of her disappearance, the autotrader magazine in his house, Brendan's demeanor in the days following, the bleached clothes, case closed. The fact that they didn't find blood in the house does not prove that Steven didn't do it, it only means that we don't and probably will never know how or where she was killed, only that she ended up in the burn pit and Steven put her there after he killed her.

    I think the documentary purposely downplayed his history of perversion. I think Steven Avery is a sick dude who played an incident victim so long ( because he was under other circumstances) that he perfected it and felt somewhat invincible in his ability to use it and escape further scrutiny in his life.

    I am like the rest of you, I don't think this story is over

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    1. The problem that I have with your position is this: Why would a guy that wished to "get away with it" leave such absurdly incriminating evidence with his own DNA all over it in plain sight (i.e. the car and the key) when he had plenty of opportunity before the victim was reported missing to destroy it? And there are other beyond troubling circumstances such as the seal on the blood evidence being broken and the pin hole at the top of the vile, and the cop calling in the victim's plates a couple days before the vehicle was found....these facts are beyond Steven Avery. What explanation is there for someone to break into the sealed blood evidence from Avery's prior wrongful conviction?

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    2. He DIDN'T DO SHIT! Not even a retard would take a 36 million dollar lawsuit and toss it out the window for a piece of ass. Steven spent 18 long ass years incarcerated for a crime that he did not do. That is the ONLY fact present that has been proven!

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  73. I wonder how they got a guilty plea when the evidence shows that there was no crime committed where they say it did .If she was shot in the garage like they stated ,where was the evidence of blood , and if not found why did that stick as being true. And if he cleaned it up then why was there no testing for any kind of a cleaner/bleach. Than as in Dasseys trial it was stated that she was killed in the bedroom ,but there was no blood to be found there either. Also if she was shot in Averys trial ,how could she have been killed with a knife in Dasseys trial. I think the law there is pretty messed up and they are all working to cover it up , so they can get out of a lawsuit for convicting a innocent man. And if some of her bones were found at a quarry than why was that not investigated more there , obviously she was moved from there after she had been burned. It is common sense, but I see the law there does not have any of that. I think its going to be hard for them Avery and Dassey to do anything as long as that judge is in charge because I think he is in on the cover-up.

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  74. When the incident with burning his cat,a pet no less was brought to light my feelings towards Steven Avery changed as to whether or not he was a good person. He was railroaded for sure on the rape case. Injustice for sure. Do I think he is innocent of murder? Not so much. He already has 1 burned corpse under his belt. Arguably this case had enough reasonable doubt for a jury. The nephew's case is a whole nuther thing entirely. I found the whole thing dark and disturbing all the way around.

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  75. Steve killing and burning a family pet just to watch it burn raised my hackles. A sign of psycopathy. He was railroaded for the first rape no doubt about that. Did I believe he might be good for Teresa's murder? Yep. Psychopaths are kind, caring, and loving...until they're not. His nephew's case is a whole nuther level of scary.

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  76. After watching this mini series, I am completely beside myself in the amount of injustice that was served. I send my heart felt condolences to all families involved.

    I don't know who murdered Ms Hallbach, but this story is so fishy on the collection of evidence, I just cannot believe it. Yet, at the same time I can. Nothing adds up with his whole story. And ironically, the only story that remained consistent was Steven's!

    I don't want to set a killer free but I suspect the killer is still at large on this one.

    Either way, a fair trial is the CONSTITUTIONAL right of all Americans!

    Corruption has got to be eliminated - and I don't care where - it's all bad.

    The day you are wrongly accused and have to spend every dime you have (if you had any) to prove your innocence, you will soon realize what hell it is, to go through.

    As of this moment only TEN people have signed the Petition mentioned above.

    Please, sign it!

    PETITION:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-wrongful-incarceration-steven-avery-and-brendan-dassey

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  77. They need to look at Theresa s ex boyfriend...

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  78. Thank you! Every one is falling for the crap they are feeding them in this documentary. There's no way the police murdered her and framed him. You think they murdered an innocent girl to get back at him?? Avery's past shows the violent path he was on. Everyone blames Manitowoc police for his prior rape conviction but the victim identified him in the line up. I lived there when this happened and I'm saddened some of the good men on this police force are getting a bad name because the show is obviously biased. Avery is a monster and exactly where he needs to be.

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    1. I bet you think that DA is top notch material too then don't you? I can only imagine how many women he's thrown under the bus with his pathetic power trip.

      I would say "YOU can't see the forest through the trees". From an outsider's view on this I can't see how anyone could trust those cops after the first wrongful case. Total motive right there for retaliation from the police force.

      Why would someone who's being awarded MILLIONS of dollars rape a woman that he know's knows him when he could just buy her off or any or woman willing to be bought for those reasons?

      Just doesn't add up. There's more to the story and until it comes forth NO-ONE really knows.

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    2. Did you even watch the documentary? This is not rocket science?...No One is saying the police killed her..Not one person..however...there could be I will scratch your back if you scratch mine!!! Cover Up...The defence lawyers tried every angle and they proved beyond reasonable doubt 16 times!!! YOu should really learn to educate yourself prior to making a conviction...Avery i sno monster..people who are closedminded are

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    3. Let me be clear, I meant someone else killed Theresea,the police are guilty for planting the evidence on Avery.

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  79. I was wondering who would have killed Teresa Halbach and burned her body and where this could have happened other than the Avery's property? Despite the embedded with the Avery family perspective of the film makers, that question puzzles me on what alternative alibi could have explained Steven's innocence. This would be an incredibly elaborate plot that I can't work my brain around. Also like with the rape case, the corrupt cops would have had to remove all the real evidence in the Rav 4 and thus protect the killer. How many cop conspirators would that take? It seems like some cop or cops not associated with the previous rape cover-up would have had to have been involved to pull it off since they would have had to have collected in the three or so weeks all the real evidence that would have exonerated Steven and then destroyed it.

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  80. This is directed at Anonymous, December 21, 2015 at 10:01 pm.

    Your opinion of this is exactly what the rest of us are attempting to make you see. The film may appear to lean toward the innocence of this man, but you have said it yourself, you lived in the area when that happened. Did you see any of the media coverage before trial began? You may think that it doesn’t matter if you did or not, but it does matter and here’s why.

    I am not stating that the police killed this young woman – coming from a family of law enforcement officers, I cannot imagine that happening – or at least I wouldn’t want to believe it could. So let’s just leave that out of the equation and take a look at the facts.

    1. The prosecution built their case on the location of the crime. Their court case stated that Teresa was killed in Steven Avery’s bedroom. A violent crime that they stated took place in the bedroom would have provided evidence – marks on the bedposts, blood, hair, semen. There was none.
    2. The prosecution, more specifically, the District Attorney, Ken Kratz took to the media and gave a detailed picture of where and how the murder occurred – in Steven Avery’s bedroom. The fact that he made the statement to the media in the first place is unethical (unethical behavior we find out later about Kratz, is a pattern).
    3. Brendan Dassey’s second attorney, Len Kachinsky, also took to the media stating that Brendan Dassey was legally and morally responsible. He also says it’s common for officers/investigators to question someone without a parent present, but Dassey was questioned more than once without any representation present to advise him, including Kachinsky himself, his attorney. Brendan’s case is a different, yet similar beast.
    4. The State discontinued efforts to compensate Avery for the wrongful conviction – BEFORE he went to trial. There were depositions in that case cancelled after he was arrested – not after a conviction – an arrest. For those of you that don’t know the difference, an arrest is not proof of guilt. That news hit the media, further clouding the jury pool.
    5. Lenk and Colburn, Manitowoc County officers were allowed to “search” and an earlier statement was made that Manitowoc had only provided equipment for the search. Officer Daniel Kucharski from Calumet County made a very clear statement in preliminary exam that the shoes were moved in an earlier search and the key was not there prior to Lenk, who Calumet County stated was never there, suddenly found it. Colburn was twisting and turning the cabinet, but Lenk found the key. Both were not to be there at all.
    5. The seal on the evidence box was cut and taped with clear tape. A statement was made by Lenk that he didn't know about that evidence. Lenk signed that evidence paper trail on that first trial. Lied. Unethical. Lied.

    Avery did not receive a fair trial. He was presented to everyone who viewed any of those Press Conferences as a guilty man. Kratz stated “due to evidence we have found” in that first press conference. He lied. Flat out lied. There was NO evidence of a rape, stabbing, or throat-cutting in that bedroom. Lied.

    I just hope that there is someone out there who is still open-minded and still searching for the truth, because there was not enough “truth” to convict this man.



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    1. Refer to my observations above. Like the OJ investigation, there was evidence of police tampering with the evidence, but did that mean OJ didn't do it? I think OJ did kill them. Like you I thought the car key "drop" was incriminating of cop planting of evidence. As shameful and corrupt as that would be does that by itself exclude Steven as a suspect (as well as lack of physical evidence in the bedroom etc.)? Where was Halback's body cremated and then discarded in the bonfire pit that Steven admitted he had used that day? Is is so easy to move a Rav 4 back on to the Avery property w/o anyone noticing after everyone in the area is looking for it? Could only the rape-involved cops pull this off after the other county's cops were already gathering evidence and then by your scenario destroying it if it indicted someone else? Tell me a convincing alibi for Steven for all this elaborate cover-up?

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  81. So we are to believe that steve avery is smart enough to get rid of all the blood evidence in his house and garage but he is going to keep her car on his property? The man deserves another trial. This sickens me and it could happen to anyone

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  82. I don't know how anyone could watch that trial and not come away with reasonable doubt for the crime. Mind-boggling.

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  83. I agree with "NotEnoughEvidence" about anyone who thinks Avery committed this crime. Maybe the deputies didn't kill this young woman, but they definitely worked overtime to pin it on the wrong people. Your living in that area makes you bias as Hell as you likely join the community in hating this family to begin with just because they weren't like most others you lived around. Steven Avery had NO violent past to speak of. His prior conviction was overturned for a good reason, and he stood to be compensated by the County for their poor police work. That is another reason any local would want to see him go down, and not be able to hold your county accountable.

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    1. Robert, although I appreciate the thumbs up, my point was and is, there's not enough evidence against this man to make a determination one way or the other. My position on this matter is that given the prosecution's "case" against Steven Avery, a case where they set up the scene of the crime according to the information obtained from Brendan Dassey. It was the prosecution that stated the crime that included the violent acts of rape, stabbing, and throat-slashing (at least two of which would produce a very large amount of physical evidence) occurred in Steven Avery's bedroom. Let me repeat that, the prosecution's case was built on this scenario. If the prosecution did not find any evidence of violence occurring in the bedroom, which was not a part of the trial's evidence because there was no evidence, that would mean that Dassey's statement was in fact incorrect which places doubt upon how that statement was obtained.

      Anyone with good sense understands that it does not take days upon end to: 1) determine that the scene of this uber bloody crime, had no trace of blood, and 2) not having blood present at the scene, the scene laid out by Brendan Dassey, could not have been perpetrated as Dassey's statements would have us to believe. That could lead to the understanding by the jurors of a lack of credibility of their key witness / confessor. They certainly did not want that to happen. It is only my opinion that it was very convenient to find the key, and then the bullet fragment in the garage - a building they had by their own admission, searched as part of the initial search of the property. I was not a juror, yet, it's one of the first things that came to mind and certainly would have put way more doubt than is reasonable into my mind.

      I do not know if the police set up Steven Avery. I know that nearly every person on that stand appears to have lied at some point, and those that we witness performing the act of lying which in a court of law is a crime, came from the testimony of persons of authority.

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  84. You trying to tell me Avery went to the trouble to cover the Rav4 with a couple TREE BRANCHES when he could have CRUSHED it and DISPOSED of the vehicle never to be found again? Then the car key is found in plain sight on the FIFTH search which happened to be found by COLBURN, who was supposed to be REMOVED from the investigation along with the other biased Manitowoc County police, and who just so happened to call in the victim's plates AFTER she went missing and two days BEFORE the vehicle was "discovered." As if that's not enough, the key was SCRUBBED CLEAN of any DNA from the victim who used it for years. This doesn't even get into the vile of Avery's blood that was inexplicably accessed with a needle hole on top. Hmmmmmm. What is the point of having a justice system with a BURDEN OF PROOF if the jury could not find REASONABLE DOUBT anywhere in this simmering pot of absurdity.

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  85. Killing a cat, though despicable, does NOT make him a murderer. And with ZERO physical evidence from the bedroom and garage, and the obvious lies from LE, it is obvious Avery didn't do it.

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  86. NotEnoughEvidence, I didn't wish to claim you made any other determination than what you had stated. If you look at my prior comments you would see that I had already addressed the lack of physical evidence in the bedroom and garage.

    Clearly we both agree that there was more reasonable doubt in this case than that usually necessary for a Not Guilty verdict. Certainly more than I have seen in many others cases where a Not Guilty verdict was found.

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    1. So true. Thank you for clarifying. My apologies for anything misread.

      So this comes down to what, if anything can be done about this issue. When you have the same judge review the case in post-conviction motions, there is no chance to have this heard again. Is there another step these people can take or is it all exhausted?

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  87. This is Governor Scott Walker's email govgeneral@wisconsin.gov I can only suggest that everyone voice their concerns over the treatment of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey to the Governor's office.
    The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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  88. 1) In the beginning of episode eight, the defense argues there was no physical evidence to support prosecution's earlier claims Avery and Dassey tied up Ms. Halbach, raped, tortured and slit her throat. Krantz' rebuttal trying to discredit the defense attorneys arguments suddenly asserts their argument has no merit because she was killed in the garage. "But what we did find was an Auto Trader Magazine and a bill of sale, proving Ms. Halbach was in fact, in the trailer. She wasn't killed in the trailer. She was killed in Avery's garage." The crime lab had spent months trying to find some physical evidence from the trailer without success. Suddenly, months later, they assert tthe Manitowoc cops..who were not supposed to be involved, found a bullet in Avery's garage...no blood spatter, etc. Furthermore, the forensic tech admits she tainted the DNA test, yet asserts Ms. Halbach's blood was on the spent bullet. WOW!
    2) In the beginning of episode nine, however, in Dassey's trial, Kratz opens with two questions; "Was he (Dassey) there, and did he help." He then plays the March 1, 2006 audio interview of Dassey wherein Dassey asserts under tremendous pressure and leading questions by two officers that Ms. Halbach was tied up, screaming in Avery's trailer. He states he and his uncle then raped her, viciously brutalized her, and slit her throat. What?? No objections??? How can the same prosecutor lawfully argue two completely different scenarios in mutually exclusive trials about the same crime? Am I missing something? IMO, the fact the Judge allowed this to be placed on record was a gross and flagrant violation of his oath as an officer of the court to ensure the impartial administration of justice. Hell, had I been Teresa's parent, I would have been outraged by the complete contradiction of alleged facts between the two trials, DUH! The overt and unconscionable contradictions between trials suggests law enforcement was prosecuting the wrong folks. Appalling failure to ensure both suspects were granted a fair trial. When prosecuting attorneys and law enforcement change their stories it means one thing, they are lying. In America, justice is only afforded to those who can afford justice. Until it happens to you - - -

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  89. I investigate cybercrime/counter terrorism - definitely not murder but I do understand standards of evidence and doing the right thing. The actions of law enforcement/prosecutors involved in the sexual assault/attempted murder charge is in my opinion criminal misconduct. It is obviously a personal tragedy to the Avery family. Even worse- again my opinion- it harms the trust and confidence that the people have in those people who are entrusted in seeking justice and protecting them. And on a personal level that bothers me. I know so many good, honorable and dedicated people who have sacrificed so much to protect others. People who would rather die than violate the Constitutional rights of those citizens we protect.

    I see that more and more the media is sterilizing the system by bringing to light wrong doing by some in law enforcement. I can only hope that the good citizenry of this country takes a moment to reflect upon the reality that 100s of thousands of cases are successfully worked every year. That law enforcement encounters citizens in good and productive ways millions of times every year. And that while there is and should be zero tolerance for bad cops- The good cops merely want to serve and protect. There is a sense of duty and commitment to our communities that have provided so very much that it is the least we can do to give a little bit back or in some cases give everything that we have to the community.

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  90. I actually wrote Ken Krazt (DA) an email to his business (I was angry) and got this reply from him:

    “I assume you reviewed the 80% of the forensic evidence the defense team omitted from the documentary? What did you think of all of that uncontested evidence?
    Because to reach such a strong opinion I assume you reviewed both sides...
    By the way, I'm usually willing to answer legitimate questions. Ok?”


    SO I just wrote him back:

    OK: 3 questions:

    Did you watch the entire documentary?

    Can you give me 10 of the most important examples of that evidence you say was missing from the documentary (I assume important) because the doc does show how poorly this case was handled...please...

    Why was a new trail rejected?

    (PS: I have not indicated their guilt or not - I do not know. I do still think there is a lot of miss handling. Terrible. Ethically sick. Wisconsin is in poor hands).



    Follow up note:

    I can imagine the documentary was biased - it was written to bolster the argument of the defense...but it made a strong case of miss handling of justice...and this whole thing made me very sad and angry...there should be a new trail.

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  91. Talk about a travesty of justice! Possibly a conspiracy among legal and/or very state officials, my God, I have never seen anything like it! This whole court case smells of political corruption, police corruption and abuse of authority. Was this all done just because the guy won the settlement , which he rightfully should have won much more of, and you guys were just so pissed because you had to be deposed that you wanted to make sure he would never get to enjoy it? What an amazing collection of unprofessional prosecutors and investigators. Wisconsin should be utterly and totally ashamed of the officials who handled this case. Any major city would have laughed at those court proceedings. So many unanswered questions. How could the jury convict these two with the evidence that was brought about , it's a joke. Was the jury tampered with? It wouldn't surprise me one bit. Kratz's law license was suspended because of pill popping and sexual harassment and you know there was probably a heck of a lot more to it then that. I hope the truth comes out some day of who killed Teresa, I have a feeling it very well could have been someone of authority, someone whose advances may have been rejected, someone who thought he was above the law. As far as I'm concerned you can be damn well sure it wasn't Steven Avery.

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  92. This is a fascinating story and like many others I believe Stephen Avery is innocent. I re-watched the doc a few times already and a few people stick out in my mind. The roommate, the ex bf, Bobby Dassey and Barbs bf (didn't catch his name) First, the roommate does not report Ms. Halbach missing for 3/4 days? Then as he and the ex bf are allowed to be the first to search the Avery yard, as instructions given by the police. At the start of the search they give a camera (the only camera they gave out that day) to Patty whatever, who is Ms. Halbachs cousin. In his testimony the ex bf says he's never met this cousin before? But yet, he's date Ms. Halbach for 5 years hmm..Now this cousin is looking in a pile full of 400+ cars and in 25 minutes finds the missing car. Fishy to say the least. The ex says on the stand he never once was investigated or asked about his whereabouts on 10/31. The day Ms. Halbach went missing. Why? And he and the roommate were questioned in the same room. Again, why? They would have had time to collaborate a story.

    Next is Bobby Dassey and the mothers boyfriend. Both claim they saw Ms. Halbach there at 2:30-2:45 then went hunting and her car was gone before they left. The bus driver said she saw Ms. Halbach at 3:45pm when she dropped Brendan off from school. Bobby and the mom bfs are only alibis for each other, and they said it was when they passed on the highway. (Meanwhile, what I'm thinking is a son and the mothers bf are both hunting at the same time but dont hunt together? Fishy.) Barbs boyfriend said he saw flames around 3ft high when first questioned, on the stand he says there were as tall as 10. He is then asked for a statement after Avery is found guilty and he is thrilled at the outcome. Averys parents after Bobby Dassey testifies says "we really thought Bobby liked Steven, guess not." Bobby also failed to tell the "joke" Steve made to him and his friend to the police but remembered it months later to tell Kratz.

    After watching the doc, as someone pointed out, a lot of people look like they're lying or cant remember certain pieces of their own whereabouts from 10/31 to 11/5. There is certainly more to this story that people aren't sharing. I think there is a cover up somewhere and I wouldn't be surprised if this was a scratch my back, I'll scratch yours to get to Steven Avery

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  93. If you pay close attention to episode 2 while they show the tapped deposition the two men that more than likely would have taken all the blame would have been Sergeant Andrew Colborn and Lieutenant James Lenk okay now fast forward to the murder trial which officers were always involved in finding new evidence........just think about it that's all I have to say

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  94. If you pay close attention to episode 2 while they show the tapped deposition the two men that more than likely would have taken all the blame would have been Sergeant Andrew Colborn and Lieutenant James Lenk okay now fast forward to the murder trial which officers were always involved in finding new evidence........just think about it that's all I have to say

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  95. There is nothing notable here. Unless the local police were 1) willling to murder a innocent 3rd party girl over a suit that would only cost the county govt money - not entail any expense against the individual cops,
    AND 2) the entire backward clan living on this junkyard property failed to notice the woman being killed and her corpse being dismembered and burned ADJACENT TO THEIR HOMES (not in some remote corner of the property miles from a residence) - there is no reasonable doubt here.

    The uncle had likely been locked up for decades and probably read the book in question which was a still relatively new release, only roughly 9 months old. I think he probably got it into his mind that he wanted to renact the actions in the book.

    It appears that while he may not be guilty in the first attack, he was a seeming idiot who could not avoid trouble or police, and I dont see this as even a shred of likelyhood that it could be a setup. He was just a idiot who was assisted by another idiot, and who acted when they had a opportunity (female shows up to the property who he had developed ideations about from past occasions) and given the halloween holiday and remote location, he did what he had been thinking about, but had no sophisticated plan to avoid later capture or draw attention from himself.

    Its also possible that they have done other criminal acts on this property in the past, and gotten away with it, or dumped criminal proceeds there, so they simplistically figured it would go unfound this time as well.
    They may not have understood, living is a remote family junkyard, how this victims scheduling worked, or that it could be determined which appointment was the last one she made it to, or if anyone else even knew where she was or what her schedule was.

    I doubt that someone if these limited capacity types did much more than decide to rape and act out a sadomasochistic book they amy have read or heard about from someone else, and then without any planning or thought decided to get rid of the evidence in the most simplistic way that they usually discard unwanted material at this remote property.

    Trying to make this out as a mystery is nonsense. The disposal took place the same way this retard nephew said it took place, which might be because he and the uncle had previously heard or talked about this crime novel plot, and it turned them on, so they used the same method of disposal that the rapist in the book employed. In any event, that IS what happened and its not fiction or a made up story, and the kid admitted that he raped her to, which is not a feature of the book, it was simply what he did.

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  96. Ever watch the First 48? Blood goes EVERYWHERE. Its on ceilings, rugs, mattresses, clothes, weapons, shoes, grass, ground, cars, keys, it winds up EVERYWHERE. The cops claimed two different places and methods of death in two separate trials as far as I can tell. They stuck by the assertion that she was knifed in his bedroom. Blood would have been EVERYWHERE. If she was then later shot in the garage blood would have been EVERYWHERE. In either scenario, or both, the is no physically possible way that someone could clean up every drop.....EVERY DROP of blood in both locations. In the first 48 they bring in luminol and its over, they see the clean up EVERYWHERE. Did they find one drop of her blood on anything other than the proclaimed bullet fragment located 5 months after the initial search....NO. Gimme a break. This wasnt 1929, this was 10 years ago....its not like police methods for indication of blood spatter werent developed yet. Go watch a stabbing or gunshot video on you tube or liveleak.....yep....blood is EVERYWHERE guys. This case is crap.

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  97. Wheres the blood? Go watch a stabbing, throat cutting or shooting video on you tube or liveleak and youll know that blood goes everywhere. Apparently not here. Its the number one problem with the case. No blood? Gimme a break thats usually the first bit of evidence the police bring to the table. Just ask Avery. They could find drops in the car but NONE in the trailer?

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  98. There is an online petition that ALL can sign for BOTH these innocent men. Here is the link.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investgate-and-pardon-averys-wisconsin-and-punish-corrupt-officials-who-railroaded-these-innocent-men

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  99. There is an online petition that ALL can sign for BOTH these innocent men. Here is the link.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investgate-and-pardon-averys-wisconsin-and-punish-corrupt-officials-who-railroaded-these-innocent-men

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  100. Let's please consider that Oockie made the comment back in April, 8 months before the Netflix series was released so has made their comment based on media at that point. Without having the knowledge that the Netflix series presented, it is easy to conceive how the general public would believe the two to be guilty.
    It's fairly obvious that corrupt cops manipulated the crime scene. I don't presume to know how small towns operate in the US but what business did Lenk & Colburn have at the crime scene where the person currently sueing them lives. Even an idiot could identify that this is a direct conflict of interest. Any "evidence" identified by them should have been inadmissible.

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  101. Lots of "what ifs" and "wtf's" in this story.

    What if the family members that were hunting there that day decided to have some fun with a lone woman out there on the isolated property? What if they forced her over and raped then killed her. What better place to leave the car if you didn't have access to destroy it? Why is it assumed that the body was burned that day? How long did that fire pit burn?

    Plenty of time for someone that lived near or on that property to dismember and move body parts by bucket to the burn pile under cover of darkness during the week after her disappearance. It makes some sense that they would assume no police dept would want to rush to judgement again in a case involving Steve Avery.

    Steve Avery's brothers had a history of sexual assaults. Steve was in line for a HUGE payout, not them.

    I think that Steve was set up by someone close AND the planting of evidence by law enforcement later on. I do not think him an stellar human being...but that family has issues...he sat in prison for 18 years, he knows the consequences. His brothers on the hand do not.

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  102. Scary how the law does not work in the state WI.

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  103. This is a VERY interesting read, but the lack of links/documentation/support for every statement in here is concerning. Coming here from https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer, there are hundreds of redditors able to find links/documentation/support for lots of publicly-available documents today. Would be good if they were linked here also, otherwise it's all hearsay.

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  104. Not mentioned in this documentary:

    2004 - A young woman claims Steve raped her. She decided not to press charges when he was arrested for the Halbach murder and was likely to be sentenced to life.

    Oct 2005- Earlier in the same month as the Halbach murder, Steve purchased handcuffs and leg shackles.

    Inmates jailed at same time as Steve report Steve planned to kidnap, rape and torture a woman, using handcuffs and leg shackles. Steve had drawn them pictures of the torture chamber he intended to have.

    Halbach had complained to her employer about Steve answering the door in just a towel on an earlier encounter with him.

    Steve used an alias when calling her employer to request "a female" photographer only.

    Why would a perfectly healthy young woman like Teresa record a "last words" type of video just days before the murder? Listen to the entire tape...very odd. Could she have been in on an undercover sting operation that went horribly wrong? Could she have had good reason to be thinking she may find herself in harms way?

    Perhaps it went much further and faster than she had imagined possible. Maybe he discovered that she was recording him on her phone and realized that his settlement was now in real jeopardy. Nothing left for him to do but get rid of her and the recording.

    Or maybe he was paranoid enough to believe that was what was happening once he realized his advances had gone too far...maybe he justified to himself the need to get rid of her while satisfying his perverted sexual fantasies.

    After all, if she did press charges and get him arrested or involved in an expensive law suit, the money would be all but gone anyway. May as well go on and act out his inner most secret desire while protecting his big payoff.

    He did it.

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  105. I am watching the Netflix series at this moment. A police officer is being asked about the Toyota RAV4 key being found in Avery's bedroom. The cop states that the key was not seen the first time the slippers were moved, but the keys were found the second time that they looked. Also when I listen to these cops, etc., talk, it reminds me of the movie "Fargo". These so-called professional cops, attorney's, etc., all have circular reasoning with a clear lack of skills in understand how to converse and it's apparent on film that they're lying. I grew up in a small town in Michigan and I recognized the ignorance of the small-town thinking and I lived it for years before moving. Manitowac County is a small, redneck county, it does not have the funds to pay Avery per his lawsuit for his false-prison sentence, all of these people within law enforcement are good ole boys, tight-knit, are clearly flippant, arrogant, and unapologetic and this culture has been bred for decades. This happens all over this country too but this county got busted, and busted hard. It hurt their ego's and they were not going to stand for it. Avery does not have the resources to defend himself and the law enforcement system knows this. The small-minded, redneck folks that run the law enforcement community are corrupt as much as any characters in the Godfather films. These small towns are out of touch from the big cities such as Chicago, Boston, and NYC. Family's do not have the funds to pay for a big time lawyer. Hell I make $80k a year and I don't have the money to pay for such lawyers so Avery certainly does not have it. And law enforcement community of Manitowac knows this. What I amazed is how little common-sense goes into these peoples' mind before speaking. None of them have a filter on their mouth's and they just say whatever comes to their mind. And one more thing, it's not possible to burn a body inside a burn pit. Ask a cremation business how it's done and they'll give you the facts. It's very difficult and it takes control heat within an oven. It would take days to burn a human body, including the bones, to disintegrate in a burn pit. I am watching and listening to these people, law enforcement, and others and it reminds me of a bad movie.

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  106. Shocking US IN-justice system

    My suspects would be

    1 Scott Tadych
    2 Scott Tadych + Bobbie Dassey
    3 Guy that kept phoning Teresa
    4 Guy that erased the messages on her phone
    5 Ex boyfriend
    6 Room mate
    7 Dare I say the brother - stranger things have happened

    Most Shocking Events (Outside of the murder)

    1 Brendan guilty with no evidence
    2 Len Kachinsky behaviour
    3 Judges, Prosecutors and Police Department collusion and dishonesty
    4 Blatant disregard of the conflict of interest and allowing Lenk and Colburn onto any of the crime scenes.
    5 Len Kachinsky's investigator (the guy that cried about the ribbon) interrogation of Brendan

    Brendan you have been beaten by a corrupt, unjust system. The Holbachs are fools to think that they have received justice the real killer/s are still out there.

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